Turbo vs NA

khevolution said:
my own expirience of a NA car wasn't the best and I hadn't thought of v-tec, I know they have a lot of hype, but are they really that good of let's say a turbo of the same engine capacity
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No, they are however much better than any non Vtec NA engine of the same capacity, the only problem is that over the years everyone else has come up with Vtec like engineering for their NA's (MIVEC, AVCS, VVT-i/VVTL-i, VVEL, etc.) so its not as big an advantage as it was back in the days when the 2.2L Prelude was putting out the same power as a 3L Supra, or when a 3L NSX was putting down more bhp than a 5L mustang (the new mustang has a Vtec system too). These days it is mostly hype based on the non hype of the old days, if that makes any sense...
 
Currently drive a turbo. Torque is nice.

Changing to an EP3 CTR. Not so much torque, but power ALL the way to the top and the fact it feels like you just will not blow the thing up (unlike my Golf!) is gonna be worth the change I think :)
 
I was a big fan of powerful turbo charged cars when I had a 300bhp one. I loved the wollop you used to get but now I have my 6.0l V8 with it's ruler straight power curve, I wouldn't have it any other way. Having 400lb/ft for most of the rev range makes driving so much more pleasent and no need to worry about what gear I'm in for those rare encounters. However once my supercharger is fitted it'll still be a silky smooth V8 but with massive power.
 
Clarkey said:
Unless it's a hateful diesel. I've not driven a fancy 6pot diesel so i'll reserve judgement on those but have used most of the different 4pot offerings and they are all the same. Bellow 2000rpm (ie all urban driving) it feels like the engine isn't even on, and when around or above the threshold the throttle is still unresponsive requiring a large opening to get any boost which is vital for any kind of acceleration.
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All the 4 pot turbo diesels I've had have pulled like a train from around 1800 revs, my nephews CTR couldn't live with the midrange acceleration of my old Ibiza Tdi Fr. (Forgot to tell him it had been remapped..hehe)
 
Whats pulled like a train? Trains are possibly the slowest accelerating veiches. Doesn't say much for diesels if they are as slow as a train.
 
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Bet the CTR driver has more fun when he is ragging the nuts off his car @ 8000 rpm than just a 2000rpm lump of power though :)

I can appreciate tuned TD's, I have driven quite a few PD130's remapped to 180BHP, they are brisk but they are not fun. Hell my car aint loads of fun and I have more revs to play with.

Civic Type R doesn't feel quicker, granted, doesn't have much low down either of course BUT it IS fun :) There's some character about giving it big beans and it all starts @ 6k, its a giggle.

All about the revs, rawness, crispness of the throttle and the noise.
 
The thing with turbo diesels is that while they may feel very quick, it's all over within a couple of seconds.

At least with a turbo petrol you can keep your foot in it for a little while longer. Not to mention the noise advantage over a diesel.

Another thing that annoys me about modern diesels is that the owners usually brag about the car having a turbo as though it's something special (case in point, a mate with a new Lancer diesel). Sure, the performance is pretty decent and it certainly feels punchy but without the turbo, it'd be slow as ****.

At least smaller engined (2 litre) petrols usually have an acceptable amount of torque.

For me though, I think I'll be sticking with petrol turbos for quite a while longer. The spooling of the turbo (especially if it's a decent size and takes a good few revs to build) just makes me smile everytime... knowing that there's something exciting coming a second or so later.
 
Princey said:
Whats pulled like a train? Trains are possibly the slowest accelerating veiches. Doesn't say much for dieselts if they are as slow as a train.
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Doesn't say much for your intelligence either does it...err actually yes it does.

All I'm saying is turbo diesels arn't slow when it comes to mid range acceleration.
Even my mate, who I go to the car show was impressed with it, and he had an RS200 :eek: Now that's what I call rapid.
Unfortunatally he's sold it and bought an Escort Monte and an RS6 Avant as the everyday car :D
 
No replacement for displacement.

No boost, no bottle, just your foot on the throttle.

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Very much depends on the engine but Large N/A would be my choice.

Turbo cars are just a pain in the bottom to own once they get older.

Supercharged is nice to drive very progressive but it misses the kick of the turbo engine and in my application didn't have the same power as a large N/A engine.
 
What would you prefer: supercharger or twin-turbo.

Surely with a twin, you get the benefits of (more or less) constant boost and the benefits of a bigger turbo, or have I missed something?
 
What's all this talk of VTEC like it's some kind of unique technology.

Variable valve timing is used by loads of manufacturers these days, as are engines with cam phasing.
 
Supercharged V8s make me happy. However, a big block V8 also makes me happy in general. In fact V8s are just wonderful, the noise, the torque, sometimes the power ain't too bad either! :D It's lazy, but urgent if you want it to be. Add the supercharger and you've got fun happy times guaranteed. :D

I want one. :(
 
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