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Obviously doesn't listen to channel 4 - if you want to experience bias (pro israel / Putin anyway)

BBC3 sounds like a token gesture - how much original programming does it have ? you just cue up programmes previosly broadcast (bit like netflix with derivaive originals)
 
I did and its soft power has collapsed, getting weaker by the year. The BBC has become politically divided, bias and that’s not opinion its fact. Criticism for the BBC now comes from every side, left, right even centre. In short, its soft power is weaker than many assume, its domestic trust and prestige have declined massively in recent decades and getting worse by the year while getting more polarised. The BBC is in steady downward spiral that has been going on for years with no signs of getting better.
Funny you say bias yet say they are critisised by everyone. If they were biased they wouldnt be hated by everyone. The soft power aspect is about the UK in the world, not the domestic audience.
 
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But that's the point, why would any other business that isn't profitable be allowed to carry on operating?

Taking your non-caveated statement at face value then there's quite a few

Many public transport networks, agricultural sectors, and certain energy industries rely heavily on taxpayer subsidies because their core commercial operations do not generate a net profit on their own.

Passenger Rail Networks
    • The Reality: Regular passenger rail services rarely turn an independent profit from the fare box alone.
    • The Subsidy: Governments treat transit as a public good, using billions in taxpayer funds to cover capital costs, maintenance, and operating shortfalls.

Agriculture and Farming
    • The Reality: Farm gate prices often fail to cover the volatile costs of production, weather risks, and global market competition.
    • The Subsidy: Direct income supports, crop insurance, and export enhancements keep rural farming viable and stable for food security.

⚡ Fossil Fuel and Energy Production
    • The Reality: While major energy firms are profitable overall, specific high-risk exploration, extraction projects, and legacy operations often depend on state backing. [1, 2]
    • The Subsidy: Tax credits, liability caps, and royalty exemptions effectively redirect public funds to maintain output. [1]

✈️ Regional Aviation
    • The Reality: Low-traffic regional flight routes to remote communities operate at a permanent commercial loss.
    • The Subsidy: Programs like the Essential Air Service in the U.S. directly subsidize carriers to maintain links to isolated areas.

Not everything is free market capitalism and since the definition of the BBC is a "public service broadcaster", which means avoiding commercial influence, then it's not even in its remit to have to run profitably.
 
Funny you say bias yet say they are critisised by everyone. If they were biased they wouldnt be hated by everyone. The soft power aspect is about the UK in the world, not the domestic audience.
Yes I know soft power is not measured domestically, as I said the BBC soft power is weaker then many assume, its not really that great anymore. I didn't say everyone hates them. I said they are doing such a bad job they are getting criticism from all sides, even opposing sides. As for bias its not opinion its fact they admit themselves. The major fallings are all over there internal reports, annual reports as well as all the leaked internal memos. The BBC has all but lost the prestige it once hold and is in a sorry state these days compared to decades back.
 
Yes I know soft power is not measured domestically, as I said the BBC soft power is weaker then many assume, its not really that great anymore. I didn't say everyone hates them. I said they are doing such a bad job they are getting criticism from all sides, even opposing sides. As for bias its not opinion its fact they admit themselves. The major fallings are all over there internal reports, annual reports as well as all the leaked internal memos. The BBC has all but lost the prestige it once hold and is in a sorry state these days compared to decades back.
The only reason the power wanes is because its not funded properly since 2014, although you keep saying its 'weaker than many assume', how are you measuring that? Anyway the funding cuts are a choice and a very poor one.
 
Taking your non-caveated statement at face value then there's quite a few



Not everything is free market capitalism and since the definition of the BBC is a "public service broadcaster", which means avoiding commercial influence, then it's not even in its remit to have to run profitably.

Those things are actually NEEDED. I wouldn't consider the BBC a service any more. What service does it provide exactly, which you can't just get elsewhere from multiple sources?
 
Those things are actually NEEDED.

That's irrelevant really, it's the principle.

I wouldn't consider the BBC a service any more.

OK, but it still is whether you think it is or not.

By it's very nature its a PSB

Public service broadcasting (PSB) is radio and television programming intended to inform, educate, and entertain the public rather than chase commercial profit

Whether you like it, think its useful or not to you or any of your other personal opinions, doesn't stop it being a PSB and thus not needing to operate "for profit", which was Armageus' question.
 
The only reason the power wanes is because its not funded properly since 2014, although you keep saying its 'weaker than many assume', how are you measuring that? Anyway the funding cuts are a choice and a very poor one.
Once simple measure is declining audience to world services. If 50+ million less people are watching that’s 50+ million less people being exposed to the soft power. Another measure it reduced trust and grater polarisation. Soft power depends heavily on credibility and BBC have lost a great deal of their credibility.

As for your funded comments that's not the only reason its not even the main reason. There power wanes is more due to wasted money, they let standards drop significantly, scandal after scandal after scandal and they no longer hold prestige that they used to.
 
Whether you like it, think its useful or not to you or any of your other personal opinions, doesn't stop it being a PSB and thus not needing to operate "for profit", which was Armageus' question.
Defining it as a "service" or "PSB" doesn't change anything though, it is still a concept from the past that doesn't need to be paid for by the masses, instead it should just be those who use it, like other forms of media.
 
Once simple measure is declining audience to world services. If 50+ million less people are watching that’s 50+ million less people being exposed to the soft power. Another measure it reduced trust and grater polarisation. Soft power depends heavily on credibility and BBC have lost a great deal of their credibility.

As for your funded comments that's not the only reason its not even the main reason. There power wanes is more due to wasted money, they let standards drop significantly, scandal after scandal after scandal and they no longer hold prestige that they used to.

Yep, for a couple of generations it had real influence and it was producing content at a standard other channels couldn't match (not that there was many others). But a lot of the people behind it turned out to be massive peados and they are STILL being outed occasionally.

It's credibility and trustworthness has tanked completely. Their "BBC verify" department is about the only comedy left on it and how they totally ignore their own miss-reporting and inaccuracies.
 
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Wrong, VED/Vehicle Tax is not used to maintain the roads, some of it may be.
You really really should know where your money is spent.
 
I think this is a BS story. Current fee is £180 and they are going to replace it with a fee of £132?
you make it sound like they are doing people a favour. they are fleecing millions more that are then forced to pay, so they make up way more in total with the lower price. and it will be guaranteed.

considering all the propaganda they push for the establishment it's no surprise the government are getting involved.

any other limited company would fold if it cannot keep itself in business, let alone one that makes over £3 billion a year.

but then you have seen how their top bosses spend it on pricey booze etc on undercover recordings (videos on youtube).
 
you make it sound like they are doing people a favour. they are fleecing millions more that are then forced to pay, so they make up way more in total with the lower price. and it will be guaranteed.

considering all the propaganda they push for the establishment it's no surprise the government are getting involved.

any other limited company would fold if it cannot keep itself in business, let alone one that makes over £3 billion a year.

but then you have seen how their top bosses spend it on pricey booze etc on undercover recordings (videos on youtube).

Yea I bet the BBC didn't put that on the news...
 
This is like reading my Facebook Timeline of old women believing this nonsense :)
How the hell can the BBC/Govt charge everybody for something they don't watch?
I personally have never streamed iPlayer or any of the other terrestrial channels, I record to a satellite system via Freesat and play them back later.
 
but you don't have to pay if you don't watch which a lot of people say they don't.
Adding to broadband fees doesn't give you a choice.
Anyway, it won't happen, it's just an idea vomited around a table.
It won't happen, I agree but the question of "how would they do this?" is easy - the legislation would be drafted to say if you had broadband then you have to pay it, job done. Maybe they'd even change the name to 'Media Licence' or something.

Same way the current legislation is what defines the "if you watch or record TV" but could just have easily said "if you own a TV" or "if you watch BBC between 6.39pm and 6.52pm" if that's what they'd wanted to do when it was written.

The how is the easy part really.
 
Anyway, it won't happen, it's just an idea vomited around a table.

You do know that 99.9% of stupid laws and regs that exist now are just that, "vomited around a table"
But but but, think of the children = all the anti internet porn regs we have now...................................and look at how well that's worked out. Protects no one, least of all "the children", but endangers everyone's privacy in an attempt to enforce it.

No, adding it as a broadband tax has legs on it. For the simple reason that the BBC, Government and civil service will see it's the easiest way of doing it and it costs them zero thinking time to implement it.
 
Some people still do not know what the TV license fee is, and it is not a BBC license fee.

You need a TV Licence if you:
  • watch or record live TV on any channel or service
  • use BBC iPlayer

 
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