Two Britons arrested for unfurling 'Free Tibet' banners in Beijing

bum said:
I wouldn't agree to that. I think many really just base on their judgements on what they hear from the media, which is sometime biased and does not really cover the entire topic throughout. It's quite easy to agree to something when it seems or sound like the right thing, without having to really look back into the history and judge what's right and wrong yourself.
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So have you looked back into the history and judged that what China is doing in Tibet today is right?

bum said:
It's like how the media reports genocide on the Tibetans because majority of the Chinese are "Han", then how come they never mention that there are actually in total of 56 different ethnic races in China? And the Chinese just happen to be picking on the Tibetans specifically.
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I'm sure they have mentioned that there are a large number of different ethnic races in China, however the Han are the largest of these and the Chinese establishment is very Han-centric.

Do you deny that there is a concerted effort to flood Tibet with Han Chinese right now?
 
Having watched this thread since I first posted it, I have listed below some of the unsympathetic, ill-informed comment that it has generated:
  • Armchair protestors ahoy!
  • ... are they just clueless fame seekers ...
  • How stupid are they. Don't protest in china it's against the law.
  • ... those two muppets should have kept their mouths shut ...
  • I cant believe someone would do that, they muts be stupi.d (sic)
  • I've seen more web censorship at British public wifi spots
  • Good, hope they rot. There should be no mercy for stupidity.
  • ... they are hoping merely a banner would make a tiny change?
  • No sympathy for these people, an entirely stupid thing to do.
  • They fall under the same catagory of 'idiot'
  • It's just asking to be arrested.
Two common themes seem to be that nobody knows / cares about Tibet and that such a protest is pointless.

Hopefully, as a result of this protest, more people will learn about the situation in Tibet - in which case, it will have achieved something, without anyone being harmed. I suspect that the people involved knew that they would be imprisoned, accepted that fact and are happy that they have achieved more than the "Armchair Indifferent".

Just to get you going, you might like to look at www.studentsforafreetibet.org to learn something of their protest about the situation in Tibet.
 
stockhausen said:
Having watched this thread since I first posted it, I have listed below some of the unsympathetic, ill-informed comment that it has generated:
  • Armchair protestors ahoy!
  • ... are they just clueless fame seekers ...
  • How stupid are they. Don't protest in china it's against the law.
  • ... those two muppets should have kept their mouths shut ...
  • I cant believe someone would do that, they muts be stupi.d (sic)
  • I've seen more web censorship at British public wifi spots
  • Good, hope they rot. There should be no mercy for stupidity.
  • ... they are hoping merely a banner would make a tiny change?
  • No sympathy for these people, an entirely stupid thing to do.
  • They fall under the same catagory of 'idiot'
  • It's just asking to be arrested.
Two common themes seem to be that nobody knows / cares about Tibet and that such a protest is pointless.

Hopefully, as a result of this protest, more people will learn about the situation in Tibet - in which case, it will have achieved something, without anyone being harmed. I suspect that the people involved knew that they would be imprisoned, accepted that fact and are happy that they have achieved more than the "Armchair Indifferent".

Just to get you going, you might like to look at www.studentsforafreetibet.org to learn something of their protest about the situation in Tibet.
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It's called opinion and in mine they will make not one iota of difference to the situation there.

The ball rests firmly in China's court on that one. A protest to the UK Government, the EU or the UN might be a better starting point than scaling a pole an unfurling a banner with nothing achieved.

Thinking smarter and not harder comes to mind.
 
stockhausen said:
Hopefully, as a result of this protest, more people will learn about the situation in Tibet - in which case, it will have achieved something,.
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No it hasn't great few more people know about it, a few more people who will do sweet **** all, and who really don't give flying ****, or maybe a few who do care and can't do anything about it..


Also the ones who do "care" don't do what little they could agaisnt it, cause it negatively affects them.


People are lovely aren't they :)
 
Anim said:
Serious question here, why should i care?
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Clearly you do for some reason.

Serious question here, what has made you post five times in this thread, pointing out how pointless the whole protest is :confused:


As to the comment that "they will make not one iota of difference to the situation there", they have certainly gained a fair amount of public attention, it may make no difference, but then neither will keeping your mouth shut and passing by on the other side of the road.
Edmund Burke said:
The only thing needed for evil to prosper is for good men to do nothing.
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stockhausen said:
Serious question here, what has made you post five times in this thread, pointing out how pointless the whole protest is :confused:
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I havent tried to point out how pointless the protest is, ive pointed out how stupid their methods are. To be fair they are also annoying me with trying to tie the olympics in to their misguided (and illegal) little protests too.
 
stockhausen said:
Clearly you do for some reason.

Serious question here, what has made you post five times in this thread, pointing out how pointless the whole protest is :confused:


As to the comment that "they will make not one iota of difference to the situation there", they have certainly gained a fair amount of public attention, it may make no difference, but then neither will keeping your mouth shut and passing by on the other side of the road.
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So Mr care bear, what are you doing to help the poor Tibetans?
 
Anim said:
I havent tried to point out how pointless the protest is, ive pointed out how stupid their methods are. To be fair they are also annoying me with trying to tie the olympics in to their misguided (and illegal) little protests too.
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The Olympics is one of the most politicised sporting events the World has, it has been this way for decades. Unfortunate, but there you go, so it is a long way from being a new phenomena having protests tied to politics in sport.
 
Anim said:
Where did i ever say it was a new concept? I dislike it each and every time to be quite honest.
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You didn't. I'm just having a little fun with your comments of pointlessness in the protests against Tibet being loosely tied into the Olympics when you complaining about it is equally pointless, perhaps even more pointless due to the historical precedent of protests at the Olympics and that you don't have any sort of campaign at all behind you.
 
scorza said:
So have you looked back into the history and judged that what China is doing in Tibet today is right?
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To be honest with you, I cannot judge before I really look through everything. Ever since the riot happened in Tibet in March brought everyone's attention to the situation in China. As I am a Chinese myself, I am hearing 2 different opinion both coming from the Chinese/British media, my own personal experience and knoweldge to Tibet. I'd rather believe the situation is far more complicated than what the media reported. I did look through evidences posted on the net, both the good ones and bad ones.


scorza said:
I'm sure they have mentioned that there are a large number of different ethnic races in China, however the Han are the largest of these and the Chinese establishment is very Han-centric.

Do you deny that there is a concerted effort to flood Tibet with Han Chinese right now?
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To answer this, I can only say yes, the Han people does make up the majoirty of the population in China. However, for the first half of my life living in China, the difference in ethnic race were never such a sensitive topic/issue in China, if you were to compare it to the UK (in a sense of people from different ethnic backgrounds, white, black, asian..etc) Bear in mind that China isn't - and probably still isn't a multiculture country. The minority races in China are even immune from the one-child-per-family policy.

As with you saying flooding Tibet with Han Chinese, there were always load of Han people in Tibet to begin with, due to the number of Chinese population. The two different races have completely different lifestyles, since that majority of Tibetans are either nomadism people or they are raised up in temples. Many Tibetans don't even have a fixed address as they roam.

The school in Tibet are teaching students both Mandarin and their own Tibetan language (So they can communicate and seek further education at universities located in different parts of China) and then they claim the Hans are taking away their own culture?

:confused:
 
According to today's Daily Mail - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...a-pro-Tibet-protest-near-Olympic-stadium.html
Two Britons are this morning heading home after being deported by China following their 'illegal' pro-Tibet protest in front of the Olympic Stadium.
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I heard on the BBC this morning that G W Bush expressed "deep concerns" over China's human rights record in a speech delivered in the Thai capital, Bangkok on the eve of the Beijing Olympics.

I'm sure he wouldn't say such things when actually in China; what with their laws and all, he could end up getting deported :p
 
Anim said:
Where did i ever say it was a new concept? I dislike it each and every time to be quite honest.
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See I love it when someone does a legitimate protest at the Olympics. This picture basically sums up what I think to be the second best Olympic moment ever (the best being Jesse Owens winning gold in Berlin).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Carlos-Smith.jpg

The shameful reaction to this from the IOC and the USA/Australian national Olympic authorities shows them up for a bunch of muppets imo.
 
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