The main thing is though if Celtic and Rangers were in the PL they would probably be able to compete as better players would join them. They would probaly have more chance of staying up than the likes of the Norwich's, Derby's etc.
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Problem with Rangers and Celtic is we always look at them in the historical sense but not in the modern game. Same with the Italian teams. A lot of the old big names are mid table at best.
I honestly believe Rangers and Celtic would struggle in the Championship let alone the Premier League. Gerrard went unbeaten in the Scottish league. Look how he is doing now in the Prem.
I honestly believe Rangers and Celtic would struggle in the Championship let alone the Premier League. Gerrard went unbeaten in the Scottish league. Look how he is doing now in the Prem.
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Of course they wouldn't struggle in the PL, let alone the Championship. If they were in the PL, with PL tv money, given the size of the clubs with their support base they'd be absolutely comfortable in the PL.
And I know you couldn't help yourself but your Gerrard comment makes no sense
And I know you couldn't help yourself but your Gerrard comment makes no sense
Caporegime
Rangers and Celtic would probably be OK. Probably. Thats it though. They would go from being the sharks in a small pond to being a small fish in a lake. They might stay up but I doubt they would prosper and they wouldn't have any european football and they wouldn't win anything.
Seems like a bad tradeoff to me.
Seems like a bad tradeoff to me.
I think people are underestimating the size of Rangers and Celtic. Outside of Utd and Liverpool, their fanbase, at least in the UK and Ireland, will be at least on a par, if not a fair bit bigger than any other UK sides. Being in the SPL has meant they haven't been able to capitalise on that. Put them in the PL with huge TV revenues and far greater global exposure and there's no reason why, in time, they couldn't be in the position a club like Spurs are today.
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No Championship team would beat the likes of Dortmund and get to a European final, like Rangers did last season. I also think think any bottom half PL teams would fair any better than both did in the CL, they would be fine in the Prem and be able to attract much better players to boot.
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Of course they wouldn't struggle in the PL, let alone the Championship. If they were in the PL, with PL tv money, given the size of the clubs with their support base they'd be absolutely comfortable in the PL.
And I know you couldn't help yourself but your Gerrard comment makes no sense
Why doesn't it make no sense? Going unbeaten in the league should be a massive achievement and show merit of a very good manager. Then apply that to a team in the Premier League who is struggling compared to the squad and size of club that Villa have. It just shows how poor the Scottish league is. I foolishly thought Gerrard would have done a bit better as he made the right moves going to Scotland first in his managerial career to get experience compared to say Frank Lampard.
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Very simply Adam, you cannot compare an achievement with one of the leading clubs in one division with a weaker side in another. If Pep took over Dundee Utd and couldn't take them to the top few spots in the SPL would it therefore mean Man City would struggle in the SPL? After all Pep's won countless titles around Europe, regularly picking up 90+ points.
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That's what I am saying doing well in a weaker league but failing in a stronger one shows how weak Rangers and Celtic are.
So you do think that if Pep couldn't win the SPL with Dundee that it will show how weak Man City are?
Caporegime
No because that is a hypothetical situation. I was referring to the first part of the post. You cannot compare the achievement of one team in a weaker league to one in a stronger one. Hence my comment of being foolish thinking Gerrard would do well in the PL after his achievements in the Scottish League because in my head I still think of Rangers and Celtic as top clubs when in reality they are mid/lower table at best.
It is completely the same as people thinking Liverpool have turned a corner because they thrashed Rangers (Who physiologically we associate as a big team due to history and it being a "champions league" game) when in reality it is no different to beating Southampton or Wolves in the Prem.
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Ok Adam you've confused the life out of me. On one hand you're saying you can't compare the achievement of one team in a weaker League to one in a stronger League but on the other hand you're citing Gerrard's achievements with a strong side in a weak League compared to his achievements with a weak side in a strong League as justification for Rangers & Celtic struggling in the PL
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Ok Adam you've confused the life out of me. On one hand you're saying you can't compare the achievement of one team in a weaker League to one in a stronger League but on the other hand you're citing Gerrard's achievements with a strong side in a weak League compared to his achievements with a weak side in a strong League as justification for Rangers & Celtic struggling in the PL
Aston Villa are not a weak side in comparison to Rangers. I would say they are about equal or even better.
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But relative to their League's they are! Rangers are miles ahead of all but Celtic in the SPL, in comparison Villa are a weaker side in the PL. How can you compare the success (or lack of it) Gerrard's having with Villa with what he had at Rangers as a stick to beat the SPL with? Me or you could take Rangers to the top 2 in the SPL but as Ole proved, you need a bit of competence to have success in the PL, even when you're spending more than everybody else.
Gerrard's time at Rangers and Villa tells us nothing about how Rangers and Celtic could cope in the PL. They're working to completely different budgets than what they'd have. As I mentioned earlier, I see no reason why Rangers and Celtic wouldn't become established top 10, if not top 7-8 PL sides. With their fan base and PL TV revenues they'd be in a stronger position than all but a few PL sides.
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1-0 Saka
As lucky as it gets
As lucky as it gets
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Is it a plastic pitch1-0 Saka
As lucky as it gets
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Yep, like an ice rink. Ball springing off everywhere
Soldato
I’m glad I was at the gym for most of this, dreary stuff although tbf we broke their home winning streak and didn’t have to bust any lungs.
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I’ve been wanting to see more of Fred. Surprised ETH hasn’t given him more time.