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UEFA Champions & Europa League Football Thread ** spoilers ** [5th - 7th April 2022]
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Soldato
He scores quite a few like that. Unreal technique
Where on earth do you think the corner flag is?
Soldato
Where on earth do you think the corner flag is?
No need to be pedantic.
It's hardly pedantic. The ball isn't even leaving the penalty area, let alone the corner flag. Had he not been fouled then Dembele's getting an unchallenged shot away 10-15 yards from goal, at a slight angle. As soon as the ref gives a foul, it's a red.
Soldato
Unchallenged? Cresswell is there.
The shot is from out wide, XG of those areas is more that half of what it is in central areas. Makes sense, less area to shoot at with the GK being able to cut off the most of the open goal with angles
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What? Since when are you including the guy that committed the foul as a covering defender when determining if it's a clear goalscoring opportunity
Soldato
What? Since when are you including the guy that committed the foul as a covering defender when determining if it's a clear goalscoring opportunity
Since forever. It's just not labelled as covering
LOL
So pretty much every red for denying a goal scoring opportunity shouldn't have been a red because the defender that committed the foul would have been in a position to make a challenge? Hahaha
Soldato
LOL
Whats so funny? You said Dembele would have had a shot unchallenged if he wasn't fouled. That's not true. You've made the stupid mistake saying that, not me
Your post was funny because it is complete nonsense. When determining whether somebody has been denied a clear goalscoring opportunity, you don't look at whether the defender that committed the foul is able to prevent the attempt at goal.
And imagine saying somebody made a stupid mistake after initially claiming the ball was heading towards the corner flag. When you done your supposed coaching courses (which also included some imaginary trials of the offside rule (because that's what you do on a coaching course
)) were you using 5 a side pitches? The corner flags are a bit narrower on them 
Soldato
Your post was funny because it is complete nonsense. When determining whether somebody has been denied a clear goalscoring opportunity, you don't look at whether the defender that committed the foul is able to prevent the attempt at goal.
And imagine saying somebody made a stupid mistake after initially claiming the ball was heading towards the corner flag. When you done your supposed coaching courses (which also included some imaginary trials of the offside rule (because that's what you do on a coaching course
Not sure why you lose your cool all the time and continue to bring coaching courses up. Why you can't you just engage in the topic on hand i don't know. And you're meant to be a mod as well.
When the ball is moving towards the corner flag as opposed to the goal, it makes a large difference in goalscoring opportunity. As does unchallenged or challenged. The ball moving more towards the corner flag and a challenged shot results in an extremely low XG. As opposed to an unchallenged shot which you claimed Dembele would have had. Dembele has to pull out a wonder strike to score from there. If the ball was in zone 1 to 3, fine, XG goes way up. Not in Zone 4 well out wide.
I'm perfectly cool. I just find it funny that you've supposed to have been an ex player (for Arsenal & Middlesborough?), done coaching courses and supposedly even done trials on things like the offside rule and yet you have such a poor understanding of the rule around denying a goal scoring opportunity. It would be quite easy to disbelieve your previous claims.
And as you're mentioning the ball going towards the corner flag again I need to again ask, where do you think the corner flag is? The ball is not going anywhere near the corner flag and Cresswell's position is not a factor when determining whether it's a red card. The ref has to decide whether there are any covering defenders (Zouma's not getting to Dembele) and where Dembele would have got his shot away and looking at the replays I can't see how Dembele is not getting a shot away within 10-15 yards from goal and not much wider than the width of the 6 yard box (not the corner flag!).
Caporegime
I've watched that video over and over again and I genuinely can't understand how anyone could think that's heading towards the corner flag. If Cresswell doesn't pull him down the Lyon player has the choice of hitting it straight away, cutting across Creswell and having a shot or running further in to the box and shooting. In fact, the ball's travelling almost parallel between the 6 and 18 yard boxes which creates the perfect angle to hit near post or across the goal.
Soldato
The ball is clearly heading towards that corner flag area. It's not going towards goal. I know what the 'rule' is, but the rules are open for interpretation, yes?
The ball going into wider area of the box is extremely low goalscoring opportunity. The punishment of 10 men doesn't equal the goalscoring opportunity. If the ball was central and much further in towards the goalkeeper, it would be a straight red.
Lets just agree to disagree, its pointless going round and round. There is a nuance in it, and we both clearly view it in a different way. You think it's a legitimate red card, i don't.
Soldato
I think you wasted your time posting that picture, having already linked a clip that shows the ball isn't even going to leave the width of the penalty area
It's still the lowest XG part of the box
Being not quite as clear as something else, doesn't mean it's not a clear goalscoring opportunity. Any denied attempt on goal from within 10-15 yards from goal is more often than not going to end in a red card.
The only decision the ref had to make was whether it was a foul. Watching it live I was sure it was but it's more marginal on the replays. Once given it's a red though.
The only decision the ref had to make was whether it was a foul. Watching it live I was sure it was but it's more marginal on the replays. Once given it's a red though.
Soldato
This is where the interpretation comes in.
I would want this to be considered in the ref's decision.
I literally have no idea what your point is now. Yes, if he had been pulled down with no keeper in the net and 1 yard from goal it would have been even clearer
Red cards for denying goalscoring opportunities can and are given for fouls 20+ yards outside the area. Some opportunities are clearer than others but as long as the minimum threshold is reached then they're all still a red.
Red cards for denying goalscoring opportunities can and are given for fouls 20+ yards outside the area. Some opportunities are clearer than others but as long as the minimum threshold is reached then they're all still a red.