Utd just were not good enough, Valencia, Fellaini, Pogba, Mata, Young were all shockingly bad (mata falling over his own feet in their pen area was typical, let alone missing an open net) - doesn't excuse the referee making blatantly shocking decisions every single time benefitting Valencia even in nigh on identical scenarios at different ends of the pitch
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Yeah other than the Bailly yellow couldn't see the ref favouring them really. Valencia should have seen red twice over.
Or do you mean benefitting Antonio Valencia?
Or do you mean benefitting Antonio Valencia?
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i think he meant full contact. the actual contact is fairly minimal. VVD's heel sort of glances of him rather than his studs being planted into him. The pansy made a big deal out of to get him booked but honestly a yellow at most was all it was ever going to get.He did make contactAnd there was no injury as there was very little force in the challenge. His body weight is fully grounded and he's not gone flying into the challenge.
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He did make contact
He's fully grounded so there isn't much force in it? Seriously, do you even physics? being on the ground slows him down, when you're sliding sideways, the weight isn't supported by the ground and a huge portion of your body weight is acting in the direction the body is moving. There was a hell of a lot of force in that tackle, saying otherwise is absurd.
Think about what you're saying, a car crash doesn't have much force on it, because it's grounded? It's about velocity and direction of travel. If he wasn't stopped then his body weight is pretty heavily behind the tackle.
As for that, just truly pathetic. His hell catches him... yeah, the hell is the hardest part of your foot with the least flex meaning it's the worst part of a foot to catch you. Also I forget how football boots only have studs on the ball of your foot, not the hell. It's incredibly obvious to see how badly his leg is hit.
https://twitter.com/asensional/status/1072586554802126849
right, he's being a pansy, his foot didn't even move, his ankle certainly didn't get turned over at all, it was just a tiny glancing blow with the as we all know, super soft hell of your foot, with his leg locked and he was grounded therefore momentum ceases to act even if you're moving forwards, it doesn't count if you're touching the ground at all.
It was a red card all day every day and having a pop at the player or trying to pretend it wasn't particularly bad is insane.
Valencia deserved a red for his tackle today, disgraceful and as seems to frequent with Valencia, just somewhere without real danger. I dislike people doing nasty tackles to stop a penalty but I can understand it, doing it out on the wing miles from goal with half a defence left to beat is just, like what is even the reasoning for going in hard there like that.
Muller who actually got his deserved red for similar to Mane on Ederson tackle, just straight up flying kick and making contact with studs to the guys face, brain dead move, fully deserved red, no freaking clue what he was thinking.
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Do you even English?
I didn't say that because he was grounded therefore there wasn't much force in the challenge - being grounded when he makes the tackle is one of the two reasons why there wasn't a great deal of force in the challenge. You quoted my post where I wrote the two factors and I even separated them with an and so you can see they're two points. When you leave the ground and are jumping into a challenge your entire body weight supported by gravity is going into the tackle. That clearly wasn't the case here. Neither did VVD put any great physical force into the slide. He's not absolutely launched himself into the tackle, in fact I'd say there was probably less force in his tackle than 9 out of 10 sliding tackles we see every game. To say otherwise absurd.
Please read what people post properly before you waste your time writing a detailed argument against what they didn't say.
Liverpool fans in being horrendously biased shocker...
That was a leg/ankle breaker. Look at what happens when he connects with Mertens leg. Look at the way his ankle and foot bend from the impact. If his foot was planted that would have snapped him. VVD doesn't stop sliding until a good metre after the contact and thats only because he sticks his studs in the ground to stand up. Hes gone in, studs up with a hell of a lot of force. That should have been a straight red and Mertens is lucky not to have been seriously injured.
That was a leg/ankle breaker. Look at what happens when he connects with Mertens leg. Look at the way his ankle and foot bend from the impact. If his foot was planted that would have snapped him. VVD doesn't stop sliding until a good metre after the contact and thats only because he sticks his studs in the ground to stand up. Hes gone in, studs up with a hell of a lot of force. That should have been a straight red and Mertens is lucky not to have been seriously injured.
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I thought the VVD challenge could easily have been a red, however imo it was a decent tackle that accidentally caught Mertens, rather than a rash challenge.
He got the ball but any time you fly in with that much force with your studs up into a challenge with another player there is the danger of injuring them.
That's simply nonsense. He's gone in with so much force that he's been able to stop himself and stand up in 1 movement within a metre (as if a meter was a lot?) of making contact with the ball:
https://streamable.com/juors
As for look at the way his ankle bends, Benteke's ankle turns in this challenge below, would you say that's a red too?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpJB85deCnc
Just like with goalscoring opportunities and being the last man, so many people make the mistake that just because your studs are up it's a red card. You have to use excessive force and seriously endanger the opponent - anybody that is suggesting that VVD's gone into that tackle with any more force than you see in the majority of sliding tackles is a liar or bias as you might like to say.
edit: There was absolutely nothing that VVD could do differently in that situation. He has to make that tackle and he's not gone in with excessive force nor was he out of control. The height of the ball has meant he's foot is at that height and unfortunately he cannot stop instantly after making the challenge, that coupled with Mertens run has lead to the contact. You cannot always stop physical contact but it wasn't done maliciously nor was there any unnecessary force in the challenge - it was just unfortunate. It's a yellow.
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If he wasn't out of control then are you saying he's intentionally put his studs through the guys leg?
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First of all, again, physics. The first point his knee makes contact he is about lets say, 8 or so inches from Merten's ankle, he then slides WAY over a meter and he gets up because he puts his studs in the ground and converts his still there momentum into upwards force. So he makes contact at as close to max momentum as possible, slides another 2 meters and still has enough energy that it helps him get up quicker.
The reason it's rash and it's a red is that the second he went to ground he was always clattering into Mertens, sure he got the ball but he was always going with a straight leg lunge in which he was going to finish his slide way after Merten's ankle. If Merten's ankle was planted harder you think VVD wasn't going to continue the slide, you think his ankle would magically stop VVD moving that one extra meter? You can't always prevent all contact, neither do you have to, but you should also be held responsible when your choice means you're going studs through someone's leg with that much force.
Touching down doesn't remove most of the force despite how you believe physics works, nor does using the energy he has to help himself get up magically mean he came to a complete stop only 1 meter away then after being completely stopped.... got up as a complete separate action.
More over even if you stopped completely over a full meter, that means you have full energy behind the tackle at the point of impact and that energy dissipates over that full meter, that means contact less than a foot into this supposed 1 meter slide is still there at the point of impact.
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I've never known somebody that can write so much in reply to something somebody didn't say. As soon as you grasp basic comprehension then I'll start taking physics lessons from you DM.
As I said, VVD's challenge didn't use excessive force. You will see 10 challenges per match with more force than that.
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It's an either/or with the excessive force and endangering an opponent, you aren't required to do both:
http://www.thefa.com/football-rules.../football-11-11/law-12---fouls-and-misconduct
Imo VVD could have kept his foot a bit lower. If he catches Mertens on the foot with the same challenge then it doesn't look anywhere near as bad and it would probably be hard to argue it's more than a yellow. As it is, he catches Mertens ankle and causes his foot to roll, at which point I think he's endangering his opponent. Sure, it's not the most excessive, awful challenge I've seen and I definitely think VVDs only intention was to play the ball, but it's still not a great tackle. I think there are lots of refs who would have shown a red for that and I think had it been at Napoli he would almost certainly have been sent off.
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Even being a LFC fan I have to agree, at first watch full speed it looked like a brilliant tackle and I thought Mertens was doing a Neymar but then I saw the replay and thought VVD was lucky to only get a yellow.
You're right, it's either but he does neither imo. I'm not sure how much lower his foot could have been - it's only a few inches off the ground when he makes contact with the ball (and that's because the ball has bobbled up off the ground) and then Mertens, it's only after the contact with Mertens does it almost bounce up a few inches more. He's having to make up ground so he can't make a block tackle with his foot planted and I'm not sure it's humanly possible for him to have slid in, in any other way than he did. He's not even directly challenging Mertens - he's clearly trying to slide across the front of him and used the outside of his foot to block the ball but as both players momentum has carried them forward he's made the contact. Had he thrown himself into the tackle with unneccesary force and or been directly going into Mertens, meaning contact was guaranteed (as opposed ot across the front of him, where contact was more unfortunate than guaranteed) then I'd agree, it's a red.
I'm not convinced he gets sent off at Napoli either and it's nothing to do with the challenge or any home/away advantage - European refs have been a joke in the last couple of years. I mentioned after the PSG game, they just look for the easy decision that doesn't upset anybody too much. They both give nothing free-kicks and try, wherever possible not to send players off, no matter how bad the challenge. This challenge perfectly sums up European refs actually - at first he didn't even give a free-kick, then saw Mertens rolling around so thought he better give something.