UEFA Champions League play-off draw - 8th August

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Registering him for the previous qualifying round would have seemed pointless as he wouldn't have been able to play either game due to suspension. Presumably they thought that 3 missed Champion's League games counted as 3 missed Champion's League games regardless of whether he was registered or not.
 
Appears Legia are going to appeal based on the Debrecen case where UEFA ruled that the player who came on made no real difference to the game so they mereley got a small fine. Pretty reasonable.

However the Debrecen player was inelligible and Legia's player was suspended. Suspension leads to automatic forfeit, fielding an inelligible player may lead to a forfeit:

http://www.uefa.org/MultimediaFiles/Download/Tech/uefaorg/General/01/81/94/48/1819448_DOWNLOAD.pdf

Article 14bis Forfeit

1 - A match is declared forfeit if a player who has been suspended following a disciplinary decision participates in the match.

2 - A match is also declared forfeit in application of Article 19(1) of these
regulations.

3 - A match may be declared forfeit if a player who is ineligible under the regulations of the competition concerned participates in the match, as long as the opposing club files a protest.
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Absolute jamiest descision I can think of that ever went in our favour but oh well :D
 
GeneralD said:
Appears Legia are going to appeal based on the Debrecen case where UEFA ruled that the player who came on made no real difference to the game so they mereley got a small fine. Pretty reasonable.

However the Debrecen player was inelligible and Legia's player was suspended. Suspension leads to automatic forfeit, fielding an inelligible player may lead to a forfeit:

http://www.uefa.org/MultimediaFiles/Download/Tech/uefaorg/General/01/81/94/48/1819448_DOWNLOAD.pdf



Absolute jamiest descision I can think of that ever went in our favour but oh well :D
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The rule should really consider the status of the game, the aggregate score was 6-1 to Legia at that point in time.
 
This is a classic example of Uefa sticking to the book rather than using common sense. Clearly it made no impact at all on the game, it was a genuine mistake with the paperwork (the player still didn't play the other 3 games) yet Uefa decide to kick them out?

I would be outraged if that happened to my team, Celtic really do not deserve to be back in it the games were not even close.
 
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Moses said:
Where do you draw the line? What if the game had been closer and he came on a few minutes earlier and put in a few tackles in dangerous areas? It's start to get immensely complicated if you start applying subjective judgements... it's a lot better to have clear, well known rules...
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What happened to Uefa's stance on fair play? If Real Madrid happened to make the same mistake no way they would be kicked out of the competition like Legia were.

In this case common sense should have been applied as there was nothing gained with an ineligible player coming on for 3 minutes with a scoreline of 6-1 on aggregate.
 
Moses said:
How would not sticking to the rules be fair play?



Of course they'd be treated the same way. Like when they tried to appeal Alonso's Champions League final suspension and were told where to go, and when players got in trouble for intentionally getting yellows to miss an insignificant match and then not be in danger of missing more important matches. They're just not stupid enough to make such an elementary eligibility error.


What about the next case where it's not quite as clear cut? Where do you draw the line?
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So your telling me Real Madrid would be kicked out of the CL if the exact same circumstances happened to them? There is a difference between a player suspension and being kicked out of the competition altogether.

This case is clear cut though that is my point, every case is different but in this instance it is quite clear common sense should have been applied.
 
Moses said:
Are you telling me they wouldn't? Based on what? The evidential burden's on you, Shirley? The point was the the rules have been applied to them... when haven't they?

You can't just make up the rules as you go along because, as I say, the next case may not be clear, and at that point your 'make it up as you go along approach' hits the rocks. What's unclear about the current rules? They're pretty simple and easy to understand, no?
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Yep there is no chance they would ever do that to Real Madrid unless a clear advantage was gained, if it happened the exact same way that it did for Legia there is no chance Real Madrid would have seen the same punishment as Legia. It was a very harsh decision to kick Legia out imo.

All i'm saying for this particular instance the circumstances should have been taken into account as no advantage was gained with Celtic clearly dead and buried with no chance of ever going through. For 3 minutes of play with a score line of 6-1 does that team really need to be banned?
 
Moses said:
Any evidence to back that up, or are you just making an unsubstantiated assertion..?

This particular story obviously sounds harsh, because it's probably the most extreme instance of this kind of thing... but they have to stick to rules for the reasons I've stated. It's not hard to do/an overly onerous burden on the participants...
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I know rules are rules but there are times where some times common sense has to prevail.

Like for instance police chased a car for about 10 minutes doing over 100 mph to then see the driver get out and open the back door and when they approached the car his daughter was giving birth to a child.

Would it be fair to apply the law in that situation and take him to court for speeding and possibly losing his licence for trying to get his pregnant daughter to the hospital in time?

They used common sense and did not charge him, all im saying is the book should not be applied every single time as there are circumstances that need to be considered.

Yes i think anyone with a bit of common sense would believe Real Madrid would receive a different punishment than Legia if Madrid were in the exact same situation as Legia.
 
lucarocks92 said:
Yep there is no chance they would ever do that to Real Madrid unless a clear advantage was gained, if it happened the exact same way that it did for Legia there is no chance Real Madrid would have seen the same punishment as Legia. It was a very harsh decision to kick Legia out imo.

All i'm saying for this particular instance the circumstances should have been taken into account as no advantage was gained with Celtic clearly dead and buried with no chance of ever going through. For 3 minutes of play with a score line of 6-1 does that team really need to be banned?
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+1

Be interesting to see if Leiga challenge it.
 
They must be gutted about the away goal.

But had that not been scored, and Legia would have still gone through would eufa have forfeited the tie or just the match I wonder...
 
I remember a couple of teams last season using (an) ineligible player(s).

UEFA, which I agree with, are following the rules. If clubs break the rules then they should face the punishment.

A European side fielding an ineligible player, really? I mean, it's pretty basic admin.
 
The Running Man said:
They must be gutted about the away goal.

But had that not been scored, and Legia would have still gone through would eufa have forfeited the tie or just the match I wonder...
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Well based on what they said this morning if it hadnt been for the away goal the final result would have been 4-3 and Legia would have went through.

On top of that they missed two penalties ;).
 
Moses said:
It is fair. It'd be unfair to not punish them, given the rules are the rules. You can argue it's disproportionate, but it's entirely fair.
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I don't recall saying they shouldn't be punished. They should, but it should be proportional to the effect the player had on the results. Since it was nil, a token fine would suffice.

Dimissing 3 hours of football where Celtic were massively behind for the sake of a few minutes is an absolute joke.

So, it's not fair.
 
Martini1991 said:
There's nothing fair about having your lead wiped away with something that never impacted the score line.

Case by case is the only fair way.
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Choosing to "punish" them by means of something that had no impact at all, would not be sufficient to enforce the rules. Any club would then look at the decision and think "I can break this rule too - the punishment is so trivial I have more to gain than to lose."
 
FoxEye said:
Choosing to "punish" them by means of something that had no impact at all, would not be sufficient to enforce the rules. Any club would then look at the decision and think "I can break this rule too - the punishment is so trivial I have more to gain than to lose."
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Not quite, because the punishment would correlate with the impact of their rule breaking.
 
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