UEFA Euro 2016 Group B ** spoilers** (England, Slovakia, Russia, Wales)

No1newts said:
Same **** different tournament.

I could go full rant mode but I can't actually be bothered as it's just so typical. Wrong formation? Check. Wrong players? Check. Wrong attitude? Check.

Sterling..... How he even made the squad is beyond me but the starting 11? He has no end product, he essentially runs in a straight line then loses the ball.

One player who impressed me was Rooney, he did well.

Anyway, im out now, another tournament down the drain which held a lot of promise.
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lol whut
 
No1newts said:
Same **** different tournament.

I could go full rant mode but I can't actually be bothered as it's just so typical. Wrong formation? Check. Wrong players? Check. Wrong attitude? Check.

Sterling..... How he even made the squad is beyond me but the starting 11? He has no end product, he essentially runs in a straight line then loses the ball.

One player who impressed me was Rooney, he did well.

Anyway, im out now, another tournament down the drain which held a lot of promise.
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I thought we were spot on, aside from sterling's performance and some dodgy defending. What else would you have changed?
 
The press aren't helping giving everyone in the team an 8 out of ten. Everyone bigging Rooney up again. He had about three good long balls to people and the rest of his passing was a quick pass back to the same person he got it from. Whenever he tried to do something and take the ball forward he lost it.

Sterling was like Forrest Gump with his running but the crowd forgot to give him the next instruction to actually do something with the end ball.

When we were 1 up we should have brought on vardy and caught them on the break. Or at the very least he might have taken a better corner.
 
We can't play 433 effectively with the players we have, no issues with the CM/Def I thought he picked well and they all played well Rooney especially surprised me with how well he played and stretched play.

Up top though we were blunt. Sterling is truly, utterly garbage, I don't recall a single end product from him all game and this isn't a shock as his form has been like this all season so why even have him in the team? Llanna (or however you spell it) whilst he was all right he couldn't finish, again no shock, and he isn't a winger so he didn't stretch play as well as he should have.

Our strengths are strikers, good CM and good (attacking wise at least) fullbacks it lends itself to the 442 diamond which pretty much every decent pundit points to as well. Our weaknesses are a suspect defence and no wingers yet we tried to play with wingers which failed and then tried to sit back at the end relying on a shaky defence which ultimately let us down.

Even if you discount the above due to trying to play against Russia (as we expected them to play deeper and as such dropped Vardy as he wouldn't get the space he needed) Roy must have known he wanted this system so why drop Townsend from the squad? On top of this if you are struggling why compound your errors by making defensive substitutions (playing into your weaknesses) and then the cherry on top when the game was stretched in the last 20 minutes and there was a load of space at the back, who would you bring on? Maybe a 20+ goal striker who revels in that game environment? Oh no, defensive subs again so exacerbating our problems.

If anyone feels that was a good, but unlucky, performance (and this goes for some of the rubbish pundits like Dixon as well) you either have no real clue about football or you are blinded by faith that it'll be all right because "we are ingurland!!1!1"

Any decent team would have destroyed us last night.
 
Agree ^^
The second half was made for vardy, especially after we scored. Miner coming on was such an odd decision.

Thought Wilshere did well when he came on.
 
Wilshire did very well, he can pick a pass and is aggressive going forward which is another fault with 433 if we (God forbid) persevere in the same vein. We cannot have Rooney/Alli/Wilshire as you need Dier, 442 allows all players in there.

As I said play to our strengths and use our best players.
 
It was a decent performance. Formation was good, players in the right places. No luck involved, the equaliser was poor defending.

Couldn't even criticise Rooney for once, he played well.

Only criticism I might level is the substitutions were late and the wrong players.
 
It what way was it a decent performance? They were a poor team just waiting to be took apart but we completely failed in that respect, we made half chances and our decent chances were missed by players playing poorly. The formation did not work because we did not have the personnel, we did not stretch (or we rarely did) this we did not create enough chances. I don't actually recall Sterling/Llanna making a chance (actually I think Llanna created his own which he screwed wide by some good movement but all in the middle) the best opportunities came from our full backs which, whilst not a bad thing, is not really the intent of a 433 where you want to spread the pitch up top. They didn't and spent their time in the middle or in Sterlings case just wandering like a lost child.

Each to their but if you genuinely think that was a good performance and the right formation I despair. If we persevere with this formation and get out the group (which even playing badly we should) any half decent team would smash us.
 
The formation was all wrong for starters. The players looked tired. There was no sharpness, no energy, no pace.

Sterling looked like he had lost a yard of pace.

Formation wise, we needed to have a second player in there that could score goals and link up with Kane.

Either put Milner in there and push Rooney forward. Or put Sturridge on the right as the winger cutting in.
 
Real bad result, puts all the pressure on us for Thursday now. Russia are without a doubt the worst side in the group, to not win is incredibly dissapointing.

Dele too deep, and starting Sterling is just a joke.

Also, why the **** is Kane taking corners? Someone needs to explain that to me.
 
bloodline76 said:
The press aren't helping giving everyone in the team an 8 out of ten. Everyone bigging Rooney up again. He had about three good long balls to people and the rest of his passing was a quick pass back to the same person he got it from. Whenever he tried to do something and take the ball forward he lost it.

Sterling was like Forrest Gump with his running but the crowd forgot to give him the next instruction to actually do something with the end ball.

When we were 1 up we should have brought on vardy and caught them on the break. Or at the very least he might have taken a better corner.
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So frustrating that people are saying Rooney was good. Long passing from one wing to the other does extremely little, it didn't change our play, it didn't create attacks on the other wing and he screwed several up missing by miles. He had one really good forward pass to Alli, the silliest thing about it is before it he slowed a counter attack by not passing to the three central players moving forwards he went out wide, the ball came back and he spent about 10 seconds trying to find another sideways pointless pass and only finally went forward when he had no other options.

Sterling wasn't good but he was good in the warm up games and in previous england games, same with Kane he did little to nothing yesterday yet had been mostly brilliant this season. One bad performance doesn't confirm someone should be nowhere near the team. Considering Rooney was given the role as main playmaker, is older, has huge experience, that he kept delegating responsibility to Sterling didn't help. As said he mostly ignored actual forward passing and constantly gave it to Sterling or either fullback to get down the wing and create. Sterling wasn't on a good game yet Rooney kept giving him the ball out wide, not really following his movement and providing a good passing option and left it up to him.

Wilshere was miles better when he came on, Milner, meh.

Need to play Vardy left, give Sterling a sub appearance later on, Wilshere for Rooney, change nothing else.
 
drunkenmaster said:
So frustrating that people are saying Rooney was good. Long passing from one wing to the other does extremely little, it didn't change our play, it didn't create attacks on the other wing and he screwed several up missing by miles. He had one really good forward pass to Alli, the silliest thing about it is before it he slowed a counter attack by not passing to the three central players moving forwards he went out wide, the ball came back and he spent about 10 seconds trying to find another sideways pointless pass and only finally went forward when he had no other options.

Sterling wasn't good but he was good in the warm up games and in previous england games, same with Kane he did little to nothing yesterday yet had been mostly brilliant this season. One bad performance doesn't confirm someone should be nowhere near the team. Considering Rooney was given the role as main playmaker, is older, has huge experience, that he kept delegating responsibility to Sterling didn't help. As said he mostly ignored actual forward passing and constantly gave it to Sterling or either fullback to get down the wing and create. Sterling wasn't on a good game yet Rooney kept giving him the ball out wide, not really following his movement and providing a good passing option and left it up to him.

Wilshere was miles better when he came on, Milner, meh.

Need to play Vardy left, give Sterling a sub appearance later on, Wilshere for Rooney, change nothing else.
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Bore off with your anti Rooney crusade. We get it, he's been rubbish for a while, but he played well last night. He only even played one or two "long passes from one wing to another" all game, since you love facts so much drunkenmaster, try checking yours are true every now and then - http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/36509760. He made the most passes in the opposition half.

Yes, Rooney's been crap for ages, yes he's overrated and isn't necessarily a starter anymore, but your fan-boy obsession with slating him is painful to read.
 
md85 said:
Bore off with your anti Rooney crusade. We get it, he's been rubbish for a while, but he played well last night. He only even played one or two "long passes from one wing to another" all game, since you love facts so much drunkenmaster, try checking yours are true every now and then - http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/36509760. He made the most passes in the opposition half.

Yes, Rooney's been crap for ages, yes he's overrated and isn't necessarily a starter anymore, but your fan-boy obsession with slating him is painful to read.
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It's not a hate campaign, it's just the facts. I'm sure we would all love Rooney to pop up with the form of past but he hasn't had it for years, the likely hood of it happening now are slim.

If you want to use the stats to make him appear better then that does help him keep his place. He had the highest and successful pass rate too in that game but if you watch what he contributed then it was simple five feet passes to no where constructive or positive.

If we want someone to do simple passes then I'm sure we could have put someone in that can defend too. He barely left walking pace for most of the game.

Vardy and sterling would have been a good couple to bring on as an impact subs, especially whilst they were chasing and I would use Rooney for the same but in his actual position.

It's the awkwardness of trying to fit Rooney in at the expense of someone who actually plays in that position which is insulting. Rooney WAS a brilliant player and to push out a natural international midfielder to make room for him because he USED to be good is arrogant and ignorant of a professional manager.

He was used on the wing painfully, now he is in central midfield... He will be playing in defence or goal soon :p

If you were a good club team and you wanted a good midfielder, you would not consider going for Rooney even if he were available, so why would we put him in the national team team.

Have him as the club mascot, he wouldn't even need the costume ;)
 
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It's just a matter of time before the headlines are "ENGLAND ARE OUT!"

I give it to the quarter finals at best. Another average England team.

Pessimist much? :p
 
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