UEFA Euro 2016 Group B ** spoilers** (England, Slovakia, Russia, Wales)

The squad is actually quite good, but the manager is useless. How he still has the job is beyond me.

Hopefully we'll approach the Wales game differently, mark Bale out of the game and then just throw the kitchen sink at them, we should win quite easily.

Zero faith in Roy though, he'll probably start Sterling again. :o
 
I dont rate Rooney at all, cant stand him and think he is often poor. Yet he had an excellent game, contender for MOTM. We were markedly worse when he went off.

Lallana was excellent in the first half, faded in the second. Sterling was ok for a bit then faded badly.

Cant see much wrong with that formation at all, completely bossed the first half and could(should) have had a couple of goals.

Granted Russia are poor but still the slating above is way out of proportion. :)
 
Reading some reviews pundits seem to think Sterling did quite well, talk of putting fear into Russia with a 6.5 rating! I must have been watching a different game, I would have honestly rated Sterling around 3 at best, he is fast (agree with someone above he may have lost a yard of pace), but even then he can't beat a man or put in a decent ball.

Why is Kane taking corners too, surely he is decent in the air?
 
bloodline76 said:
It's not a hate campaign, it's just the facts. I'm sure we would all love Rooney to pop up with the form of past but he hasn't had it for years, the likely hood of it happening now are slim.

If you want to use the stats to make him appear better then that does help him keep his place. He had the highest and successful pass rate too in that game but if you watch what he contributed then it was simple five feet passes to no where constructive or positive.

If we want someone to do simple passes then I'm sure we could have put someone in that can defend too. He barely left walking pace for most of the game.

Vardy and sterling would have been a good couple to bring on as an impact subs, especially whilst they were chasing and I would use Rooney for the same but in his actual position.

It's the awkwardness of trying to fit Rooney in at the expense of someone who actually plays in that position which is insulting. Rooney WAS a brilliant player and to push out a natural international midfielder to make room for him because he USED to be good is arrogant and ignorant of a professional manager.

He was used on the wing painfully, now he is in central midfield... He will be playing in defence or goal soon :p

If you were a good club team and you wanted a good midfielder, you would not consider going for Rooney even if he were available, so why would we put him in the national team team.

Have him as the club mascot, he wouldn't even need the costume ;)
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I'm by no means Rooney's biggest fan, he has been pretty poor for a long time but your "facts" are anything but.

He was actually running around a lot of the time, certainly not at walking pace. There were a lot of controlled short passes , yes, but there were a lot spreading the game out also depending on where other players (Russian and England) were at the time.

He also did some last ditch tracking back and tackling right on /in our box without which we would have had a lot more pressure on Hart.

There where also a couple of really decent attempts on goal - one of which was going into corner without a brilliant save (2nd half I think)

For right or wrong we are stuck with him in that role for this tournament and most likely by the WC he will have long gone (age if nothing else), so get behind him or at least get some "facts" correct

Richard_16v said:
Reading some reviews pundits seem to think Sterling did quite well, talk of putting fear into Russia with a 6.5 rating! I must have been watching a different game, I would have honestly rated Sterling around 3 at best, he is fast (agree with someone above he may have lost a yard of pace), but even then he can't beat a man or put in a decent ball.

Why is Kane taking corners too, surely he is decent in the air?
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3 is very generous - 1 is about right for Sterling. Him and llalana were ******* awful but ever so slightly better than the invisible milner but at least the latter was only a sub

Surely Deir can take a corner (different style of free kick admittedly, but he certainly takes a decent on of those lol), then Kane can be where he should have been all along
 
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I'm going to stop discussing, I find it amazing some are some are so decieved by yesterday but I'll reference this discussion when we completely tank and niave folk are scratching their heads wondering why.
 
FrankJH said:
I'm by no means Rooney's biggest fan, he has been pretty poor for a long time but your "facts" are anything but.

He was actually running around a lot of the time, certainly not at walking pace. There were a lot of controlled short passes , yes, but there were a lot spreading the game out also depending on where other players (Russian and England) were at the time.

He also did some last ditch tracking back and tackling right on /in our box without which we would have had a lot more pressure on Hart.

There where also a couple of really decent attempts on goal - one of which was going into corner without a brilliant save (2nd half I think)

For right or wrong we are stuck with him in that role for this tournament and most likely by the WC he will have long gone (age if nothing else), so get behind him or at least get some "facts" correct
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yep I agree here.

The same witch hunt happened with Shearer :(
 
Media over here love sticking it to the players, I think they are secretly overjoyed every time we fail so they can gather a lynch mob and assassinate someone's character :p
 
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Surprisingly, Rooney isn't the problem, he was fine.

As I see it, we didn't win for 4 main reasons:

  • Sterling was playing and had a typically poor game, bit of running and zero end product, woeful

  • Lallana's finishing and finals balls were poor

  • Kane wasn't at it

  • Dreadful substitutions, bringing the wrong players on at the wrong time
Most of the above is down to the manager. We have plenty of other options in attack.

Very frustrating.
 
Richard_16v said:
Reading some reviews pundits seem to think Sterling did quite well, talk of putting fear into Russia with a 6.5 rating! I must have been watching a different game, I would have honestly rated Sterling around 3 at best, he is fast (agree with someone above he may have lost a yard of pace), but even then he can't beat a man or put in a decent ball.

Why is Kane taking corners too, surely he is decent in the air?
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It's he really that fast though? He wasn't exactly outpacing the supposedly old man Russian defence
 
FrankJH said:
Remember that defence play together at club level also, which must be a benefit

Sterling did look as though he had lost a yard or two of pace also
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Aware of that, the point is the only positive that ever seems to get thrown his way is pace but last night whenever he was in a straight one on one sprint race he was being kept with seemingly fairly easily. Playing together doesn't impact that.

So the player with pace but no end product doesn't even really have pace either judging on last night's performance.
 
As said earlier by someone, why is Kane taking corners??? EPL top scorer and he's one of the furthest players from the goal. Strange one.

I think Butland will be number 1 GK within the next 5 years. Hart's decision making was questionable in places.

Defence was okay. I really like Walker and Rose and their pace gets them out of trouble.

Midfield - Rooney was decent. Dier was great - he gets loads of praise for his defensive work but he's always looking for that forward pass as well. He's playing almost like an Alonso. Ali was okay.

Attack - Lallana is brilliantly inconsistent. When he's good it's a joy to watch. But then he'll go missing for 20 minutes. Sterling is so frustrating. Kane was a bit meh.
 
bloodline76 said:
It's the awkwardness of trying to fit Rooney in at the expense of someone who actually plays in that position which is insulting. Rooney WAS a brilliant player and to push out a natural international midfielder to make room for him because he USED to be good is arrogant and ignorant of a professional manager.
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I honestly don't think Hodgson has a choice due to commercial reasons, they obviously made him captain so that he couldn't be dropped. The sooner he retires the better.

People are talking about how Rooney had a good game but he hurts the whole team as an attacking unit and almost always has for England outside of playing 3rd rate countries in qualifying. Football is a team sport, Leicester won the league this season by being a good team not by having a superstar playing good every game whilst the team struggled to win.

Lets not also forget that we played Russia who conceded possession and gave us time on the ball, as soon as we go up against a strong midfield they'll run rings around Rooney like they always do.
 
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RobTheMonk said:
As said earlier by someone, why is Kane taking corners??? EPL top scorer and he's one of the furthest players from the goal. Strange one.
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I'm not exactly convinced Kane should take corners, but the reasoning that a striker should always been in the box for freekicks and corners because they score from open play is illogical and more than that, Hoddle would not shut up about it so I want it to continue just to wind that moron up.

How many goals did Kane score from open play vs from corners, has he scored any from corners? Has in training everyone else given the chance at corners been so bad it never gets near Kane and when Kane takes them a much higher percentage get to somewhere Cahill or Smalling can score from?
 
A striker is more likely to anticipate things in the box and more likely to score if the ball drops to them. It's not just about winning the header at a corner, what about when it gets cleared and comes back in, etc. ?
 
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