UEFA Euro 2016 - Quarter-finals **spoilers** (30th June - 3rd July)

That's the whole problem with the England squad, the players selected either need to be famous names or play for a top 4 club. While ever our scouting consists of selecting whoever is the flavour of the day and most marketable and then shoe-horning them all together we'll be ****.

I don't believe that England managers have much freedom though, I suspect the FA dictates a lot of things which impact the playing side.

It genuinely amazes me that people don't understand this. the team is picked on popularity. Rooney was dire in every game, too many fans think only missing your passes makes for a bad game so people said he was good in the first two games and only actually bad in the game against Ireland. English fans need to learn freaking football, a pass in the wrong direction killing every attack is bad, when 90% of Rooney's passes hurt the team rather than helped, if that is passing backwards rather than forward, to the wrong player, or actually missing the pass doesn't matter. Every action, 'successful' or not can be good or bad for the team.

But when Rooney was playing he'd make a completely pointless 40 yard pass across the pitch which didn't help and fans would chant his name. I don't even blame the FA that much, fans chant Rooney's name and want him to play despite being utterly woeful all year.

I would say people who actually go on a forum to discuss football and who watch more than just one team and usually one league tend to know more, I would say this forum has a decent number of fans with above average knowledge and here 80% of people at least were saying Rooney should be in the squad if not starting and multiple people said he was good in the first two games.

Why would the FA not take him when the fans are essentially demanding it and it's financially positive for them.


England needs to completely ignore the fans, they need to take financial benefit out of the equation, they need to frankly hire almost any manager and actually give them control to build a team that can play together. That is what Wales have done where Belgium and England haven't. Both teams favour getting as many supposed stars on the pitch rather than putting the best actual team out for a given game.

Sven, Capello, the clown, Hodgson, all picked ridiculous starting teams over and over again. repeatedly in that time frame we had no DM, but Gerrard and Lampard with usually Lampard, a pure attacking central mid, as a more defensive midfielder. But this works out for the FA doesn't it, because fans decide to focus their anger on the manager rather than the FA, the same will happen again and the FA are insulated from the anger by the token manager.
 
As amusing as this might be, none of them would get into the England squad because they're not famous names. Don't worry about whether they have passion, drive, a desire to win etc. their shirts don't say Rooney or Sterling or Sturridge so they'd never have got a look in anyway :p

None of them would get a look in because we have better players(maybe Williams).Hell, Robson-Kanu was a bit player for a below average Championship club last year(who was released at the end of the season). David Edwards plays for Wolves, who were poor last season. Simon Church was relegated from the championship with MK Dons. Is it really so wrong that they wouldn't be considered for the England team?
 
None of them would get a look in because we have better players(maybe Williams).Hell, Robson-Kanu was a bit player for a below average Championship club last year(who was released at the end of the season). David Edwards plays for Wolves, who were poor last season. Simon Church was relegated from the championship with MK Dons. Is it really so wrong that they wouldn't be considered for the England team?

Think you've hit 2 nails on the head there maybe not entirely intentionally - a good manager can utilise players like this to great effect as we see with Wales whereas England (whether we put some blame on the FA or not) an inept manager can't even utilise some moderately good talent to some kind of effect let along good effect.
 
Think you've hit 2 nails on the head there maybe not entirely intentionally - a good manager can utilise players like this to great effect as we see with Wales whereas England (whether we put some blame on the FA or not) an inept manager can't even utilise some moderately good talent to some kind of effect let along good effect.

Yes, that is pretty much what I was getting at.
 
At least with Wales getting to the semi-finals we can stop using the ''English players are too knackered due to gruelling season'' excuse when really they just cba to play.
 
None of them would get a look in because we have better players(maybe Williams).Hell, Robson-Kanu was a bit player for a below average Championship club last year(who was released at the end of the season). David Edwards plays for Wolves, who were poor last season. Simon Church was relegated from the championship with MK Dons. Is it really so wrong that they wouldn't be considered for the England team?

So why are our better players sat sunning themselves on Yachts whilst Championship bit part players are in the Semi Finals of an international tournament?

Wales are a team, England are a collection of supposedly good players. That's the difference.
 
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And would any one of those made it into the England squad?
 
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This is why England did so poor as none of them wanted to be there. They would sooner be banging each other missis and spending their ridiculous amounts of money they have. They play well for the club that pays them well. Playing for England is an unwanted chore for these players.
 
This is why England did so poor as none of them wanted to be there. They would sooner be banging each other missis and spending their ridiculous amounts of money they have. They play well for the club that pays them well. Playing for England is an unwanted chore for these players.

Oh 100%, that's why we have that law saying they must play.

Oh wait we don't?
 
Germany starting XI: Neuer, Howedes, Boateng, Hummels, Hector, Kimmich, Khedira, Kroos, Ozil, Muller, Gomez


Italy starting XI: Buffon, Barzagli, Bonucci, Chiellini, Florenzi, Sturaro, Parolo, Giaccherini, De Sciglio, Pelle, Eder
 
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