ugh bouncers are inconsistent

iBot said:
A tap on the shoulder and "no trackie bottoms m8" would have sufficed, no?

but then how would they get their fix?

:)

seriously though, they were doing their job properly, but yes they dealt with it very badly. you do get all sorts, one of my GFs friends used to work as a bouncer, but is also a university lecturer, and a couple of the ones at the place i go to seem quite decent. conversley there does seem to be a few people who do it cos they like the power or it gives them an excuse to rough people up a bit once in a while. I've had two friends assaulted by bouncers (once a gang of bouncers) on separate occasions, both with very little reason (one was a little mouthy but that's it). never really had a problme myself, other than being turned away for wearing trainers :( - fair enough though.
 
did you come straight from the gym or something? if not you're fault for not changing before you went out
 
Sirrel Squirrel said:
Some bouncers really annoy me, there was a bad case in Romford around here when a bouncer paralysed a girl for life from the waist down because of the way he picked her up and threw her out of a club, he's in jail now and the club got shut down but that poor girl is going to be in a wheelchair for the rest of her life because some bloke on a power trip thought he'd boost his ego by picking up a girl and throwing her out when he could have just asked her to leave :mad:

i'm not going to excuse the bouncers behaviour, but i'd put money on that she was asked to leave and didnt
also the circumstances around how she was injured may not be quite so clear cut, just because the bouncer was found to be at fault doesnt mean it was maliciously done
one of the biggest problems identified by many people of the "new" door licencing system, is that there is no physical conflict training (presumably to discourage its use)
but it is sometimes neccessary to remove people by force, and if you dont know what you're doing then it can all to easily end up with them/you getting hurt
 
From what I've heard he grabbed her by the arms and carried her as you would a bag, she was complaining that it really hurt her back and then when she was thrown to the ground outside she couldn't move
 
NiCkNaMe said:
Mate, in the vast majority of circumstances bounchers are those scum that left school at 16 with no life expectations, realising that they'd always be at the bottom of the ladder.

They get a little bit of power and think they need to exert it over others because they're embaressed at their lack of worth. Same goes with a lot of the police force.

Let me guess you regularly have run ins with them? ;)
Actually that proves what kind of idiots we have to put up with :)

The guys I work with (yes I am a bouncer or as it's properly known a door supervisor registered with the SIA) are for the most part, good humoured, and easy going, mostly as a second job, and if you knew anything about the changes recently, you'd understand that it's now approximately four hundred pounds to train, sit exams, and register for the qualification.

you didn't mention anything about dress codes, which can change after x time, as for ID, it should always be a photoID, i'd never accept anything less than one of the following:

To the OP
At the end of the day (or night), I appreciate it is a spoiler for your night out, but for the sake of 10 quid, or one of the top 3, your being an idiot for not carrying ID, especially when if you can get ID'd there, the potential is to get ID'd in tesco for your own home drinking.

For getting halfway to the bar, that's pretty easy if you slip past while a bouncer is IDing some other group ;) it can happen quite regularly. Dress code is also a quick and simple way to refuse entry to someone who doesn't look particularly desirable, ie, work clothes, in a group that looks a little rowdy coming up the road etc. I'm not saying that this is the case, but it's one of the simplest filters, it also saves a situation turning into a potential conflict due to "sorry mate, but because you were ****** and blinding, and your buddies think it's fun to bounce of cars i'm not going to let you in" it's a lot easier to say "sorry guys, no tracksuit trousers allowed" And it's something which isn't a negotiation. remember that we're there to keep a flow of people into the place. I avoid a lot of hassle just by being polite and not making someone feel silly/small in front of their mates.

The door is the first place we can filter people who would be likely to be disruptive, anti-social or a risk to other customers/bar staff/security. Then there are roving groups inside the venue, who have between 45 mins and an hour in each area, and they also will pick up on people who are for example, having a few too many and falling asleep/falling about the place.

We've got umpteen night clubs in the area, all with different standards of dress on different days, for example, there's goth nights, hardcore nights (trakkies allowed), and more conventional RnB type nights too. It's a pain to administer, but if someone is inappropriately dressed, what's the point of trying to ID someone? Behaviour approaching the pub/Dress Code/ID would be the order i'd be assessing someone.

Sorry it's slightly jumbled in terms of order, but i'm trying to sort some other things out at the same time so not typed it all in one go :)

HTH
 
NiCkNaMe said:
Mate, in the vast majority of circumstances bounchers are those scum that left school at 16 with no life expectations, realising that they'd always be at the bottom of the ladder.

Quite true. I sleep well at night in the knowledge that I don't have to restrain drunken yobs, get shot in a war, or clean toilets for a living :)
 
Adam said:
Hardly, if you knew half of the **** these guys have to put up with you would have some sympathy for them.
Don't know about sympathy, but i'd agree that there is a level of grief, although 90% of the time people just see us sitting watching an area :)

Adam said:
Everyone is out to give them a hard time and wind them up and like all professions a bad few bad people give the vast majority a bad reputation. Never had a problem with bouncers myself but never given them any hassle.
Yes there are a few idiots out there, (mostly people who survived the registrations and Criminal Records Checks) that just want a scrap and to be paid for it. Since the licensing was introduced, a lot of the old school bouncers had to go. ie, assault charges, etc. The guys in there now are ones that actually think about what's going on. I'm working on the doors while doing my degree. It's a laugh 99% of the time, watching drunks stagger about before asking them to leave, and having a chat with people. The other 1% is when people get agitated, in which case, for safety, they'll quite often see themselves being escorted out with maybe a wristlock, because it's a damn sight safer for everyone if someone is getting wound up and there's no reasoning for the restraint to be on the bouncer's terms, the biggest difference being between the bouncer and the customer at that point, the bouncer is bound by the law. The customer, chooses to disregard it, so is escorted from the premises using minimum reasonable force. Hence seeing sometimes four bouncers escorting one guy from a pub. It's safer for us, and quicker and more efficient.

Adam said:
Regarding your situation, they were doing their job. You were dressed inappropriately so you got thrown out. Get over it.

I've put my own point of view above ;)
 
Chronos-X said:
Quite true. I sleep well at night in the knowledge that I don't have to restrain drunken yobs, get shot in a war, or clean toilets for a living :)

I don't clean toilets, like most of the security guys in the area, we're agency staff ;) get shot? not happened yet. restrain drunken yobs - only on days ending with a Y.... ;)

As I said in my second post in this thread. It's a job that suits me, (and a couple of other guys who are students) because i'm doing my degree, and the hours will never interfere with lectures. Coursework during the week, working evenings/weekends. Bills are paid, and it's pretty sociable, also enjoy the atmosphere without paying for it :-D and anytime i'm not working, if there's an event on, we get to go in for free ;)
 
Efour2 said:
Real moral of the story is dont wear tracksuit bottoms now you have grown up , get some real clothes. (even if you didnt know u was going to go out just dont wear tracksuit bottoms fullstop)

Hahaha, yeah, they're for kids! :D

Oh, and professional athletes when they're at work of course. :)
 
I'm not a bouncer but I've been to a lot of pubs, and imo for what it's worth, bouncers can be very hit and miss. You get some good ones and you do get some total idiots. The rarest but best sorts are the ones that create a friendly atmosphere rather than trying to intimidate you into behaving. There do seem to be more of the latter though, especially at the weekend, not that I go out much on Sat/Sun.

Funny transcript below though from the Ricky Gervais podcast where they're chatting about Steve not being let into a club...

Ricky: I’ll tell you what you wanted to do, you wanted to tie him up with logic, that’ll show a bouncer.
Steve: Exactly
Ricky: Yeah, Show him how educated you are, and how you can win an argument and make him look stupid. You’ll be in that club in no time
Steve: That’s what they appreciate, they love that, cos what they respect is being made to look a fool
Ricky: Yeah, exactly.


Slightly irrelevant but amusing nonetheless.
 
Deadly Ferret said:
Hahaha, yeah, they're for kids! :D

Oh, and professional athletes when they're at work of course. :)


No, Tracksuit bottoms should be worn by all in authority. They are the creme de la creme of fashion. Baseball caps are the only thing to come higher in the hierarchy of taste.
 
Meh i hate bouncers, you should get a job in a supermarket and when the bouncer that ID'd you on friday tries to buy alcohol at your till on saturday ID him infront of his girlfriend/wife/****. :D Vengance of authority!
 
reflex said:
Meh i hate bouncers, you should get a job in a supermarket and when the bouncer that ID'd you on friday tries to buy alcohol at your till on saturday ID him infront of his girlfriend/wife/****. :D Vengance of authority!

Yup, except that to be a bouncer you have to be registered and 18, so as opposed to doing your job with regards age verification and ID, your just being a ****** :rolleyes:
 
NiCkNaMe said:
Mate, in the vast majority of circumstances bounchers are those scum that left school at 16 with no life expectations, realising that they'd always be at the bottom of the ladder.

They get a little bit of power and think they need to exert it over others because they're embaressed at their lack of worth. Same goes with a lot of the police force.

No its not in the majority of cases at all mate, its very rare these days with all the licensing to have a bully doorman with the characteristics you describe, 90% of us these days do their job well and have day jobs and are not bullies. , the boys and girls i work with on the doors are very intelligent people, 1 who is doing a masters, 1 who is a web designer, im an apprentice electrician, so before you start talking a load of **** have a think.

Mate you sound like a right idiot.
 
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