"UK refusal to issue gender-neutral passports unlawful, high court told"

I don't see the problem with allowing people to identify as whatever they want, it doesn't affect my life in any way if someone wants to identify as gender neutral, transgender, gender fluid, etc. More power to them.
 
nicktay2605 said:
I don't see the problem with allowing people to identify as whatever they want, it doesn't affect my life in any way if someone wants to identify as gender neutral, transgender, gender fluid, etc. More power to them.
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That's pretty much how I feel about it. There's enough misery in the world already.
 
dirtychinchilla said:
I don't understand why anyone cares enough to oppose this. If you're not one of the individuals affected, what's it got to do with you?
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Seems a bit short sighted, it's about what it represents and what will eventually follow as a consequence.

Otherwise we might end up with stupid laws like they do in Canada, or something worse.
 
Shocky-FM said:
Seems a bit short sighted, it's about what it represents and what will eventually follow as a consequence.

Otherwise we might end up with stupid laws like they do in Canada, or something worse.
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You mean the Trans discrimination laws? Why do you think they're stupid?
 
Yadda said:
You mean the Trans discrimination laws? Why do you think they're stupid?
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You are what you are, you can't force people to identify you as something you're not.

Information on passports should be factual, If someone from the UK identified themselves as being Chinese even though they were clearly British and never been to China, will that appear on their passport? Of course not.
 
It's more than just a mark on a passport though. Isn't it about protecting trans folk from discrimination, like in the workplace for eample? Do you think that, for example, an employer should have the right to discriminate against a job applicant on the basis of their gender identity?
 
fez said:
Fair point but on the other hand why would anyone care enough to want to change this.
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It's their gender. It bothers them enough to want to make a change. I get the feeling, in threads like this, that people like my dad who think everyone should be one thing or another think that it's a minor decision for these people to think that they're another gender. It's not. Why would you go through all that trauma etc for nothing? That's ridiculous.
 
Yadda said:
It's more than just a mark on a passport though. Isn't it about protecting trans folk from discrimination, like in the workplace for eample? Do you think that, for example, an employer should have the right to discriminate against a job applicant on the basis of their gender identity?
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In the perfect world they should always hire the best person for the job regardless of gender.

But it's never that simple, they also have to take into account how an individual will fit into an existing workforce, if they could cause disruption then they should be able to refuse them.
 
Yadda said:
It's more than just a mark on a passport though. Isn't it about protecting trans folk from discrimination, like in the workplace for eample? Do you think that, for example, an employer should have the right to discriminate against a job applicant on the basis of their gender identity?
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Yes in some cases.

I'm wish to employ a female security guard or police officer. Part of that role will Involve searching (biological) females. A trans woman should be barred from such a job.

I am putting together funding for a female sport team. I don't think the law should compel me to accept biological men who claim they identify as women.

I am recruiting for a health professional or sports trainer to work with my womens only sports team. The team don't want to work with men as the jobs with involve lots of close personal contact and necessitates in some cases intimate examinations and assessments. A trans woman should be barred from having an automatic right not to be dismissed from such an application along with all other biological men.

As I have said before in this thread as long as society continues to discrimintate on the basis of sex (I doesn't matter what your gender identity is) then you can't allow people to subvert this discrimination especially if it is based on nothing more then self determination as is the proposed cause of action to 'de medicalise' trans identity.
 
In related news this guardian opinion piece (yes I know) from a trans activist talking about their disappointment at a recent ruling that stated that trans people can't automatically access single sex facilities certainly caused my irony meter to nearly explode especially when I read the quoted sentence below.....

At worst, they are bowing to a vocal minority
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Some saying about a pot and a kettle comes to mind?

For anyone who's not aquanted with the lingo.... The 'vocal minority' referred to in the article are primarily the (biological) women who want to maintain the preserve of (biological) women only spaces and services and don't want non biological women being able to access then... Sometimes referred to as 'Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminists or TERF' s.....

Probably the only time I personally would find much in common with someone described as a 'radical feminst'.
 
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