UKIP move up to third in polls....

spudbynight · 17 Apr 2012 at 11:05

Polls just published have shown UKIP up to third ahead of the LibDems.

When you look at the voting intentions of those aged 60+ (the people who actually can be counted on to vote) they are up to 17% - 10 points clear of the LibDems.

Some comments and links from Guido Fawkes here :

Lots of chatter this morning about the “shock” poll that has seen UKIP overtake the LibDems, but once again it seems people just haven’t been paying attention. UKIP bloggers like Michael Heaver have been tracking this trend for months and predicted it was only a matter of time. Although they use a slightly different methodology, last week Survation had a similarly high UKIP standing. Yesterday the Standard called an Assembly Seat for the Eurosceptics and predict that the Greens will lose both of theirs, though you wouldn’t know that from most of the coverage. The crucial figure for UKIP strategists is where this surge is coming from: with reliable pensioner voters UKIP are on 17% and ten points clear of the LibDems. For those hacks saying how shocking this all is, Guido recommends reading Anthony Wells who calls it “inevitable”.

Are we moving away from a two party system? Could coalition government become the norm in the future?

mattyg · 17 Apr 2012 at 11:08

I think all the top business leaders in this country need to form a party and sort this country out.

Scotty123 · 17 Apr 2012 at 11:19

Hurrah. Looking forward to the council election

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TJM · 17 Apr 2012 at 11:21

mattyg said:
I think all the top business leaders in this country need to form a party and sort this country out.

I don't think they need a fourth party to accomplish their goals.

Gackt · 17 Apr 2012 at 11:21

mattyg said:
I think all the top business leaders in this country need to form a party and sort this country out.

Genuine lols.

Why would they need to form a party when they can just continue to influence whatever one we elect?

One · 17 Apr 2012 at 11:27

If they don't get at least one seat in the next election I'll be very disappointed.

They are the only party that might actually make changes, rather than just continuing with the LibLabCon agenda of getting as rich as possible in 5 years with no regard for the consequences to the country.

N17 · 17 Apr 2012 at 11:33

At least a party with a decent agenda that isn't BNP or EDL or Conservative but a small party that will do well

Efour · 17 Apr 2012 at 11:36

As a minor part of a coalition they might be tolerable as everyone will ignore them anyway. Ill read their manifesto later but ive always thought of them as a joke party.

Who did they survey 100 DM reading 55 year old women ?

neodude · 17 Apr 2012 at 11:39

I like a lot of the UKIP policies but, reading their manifesto, are they aware that the country doesn't end at the M25?

mattyg · 17 Apr 2012 at 11:40

Gackt said:
Genuine lols.

Why would they need to form a party when they can just continue to influence whatever one we elect?

Ok Business leaders was the wrong choice of words.

I was thinking about the paper that Sir Philip Green did.

Outcast · 17 Apr 2012 at 11:41

UkIpper here.

The only problem round our way is the only councillor worth voting for is Tory. He's a great bloke and EVERY Saturday can be seen doing "walkabout" round the estate. Just last week I was washing the car and he came by me with all sorts of carp in his hand proclaiming (quite literally) ...

"Look at all this ****, This isn't British people doing this. I shouldn't say it but it's the ****** Eastern Europeans doing it, they have no respect for the area and don't give a damn".

I couldn't agree more !!

And NO the councillor isn't your typically whitey, He's of Asian descent !

He asked me if I'd gotten the latest tory bumph through my door to which I replied I had but said "Honestly mate, I aint a Tory voter but I do vote for you in the locals because you are the only one I've ever seen doing walkabouts and getting your hands dirty".

Perhaps he's prime "Party switching" material ?

Please fully star all swearing in future. Thank you.

One · 17 Apr 2012 at 11:41

Efour2 said:
As a minor part of a coalition they might be tolerable as everyone will ignore them anyway. Ill read their manifesto later but ive always thought of them as a joke party.

Who did they survey 100 DM reading 55 year old women ?

They are mostly all ex-conservatives who've got fed up with the current conservative party. There's not a joke about them. The leader is literally indestructible too!

arknor · 17 Apr 2012 at 11:41

mattyg said:
I think all the top business leaders in this country need to form a party and sort this country out.

if you really believe they would ever do anything but make as much money as they could from beeing in power your gullible or one of them.

the super rich always manage to get in with whoever is in power anyway

GravyMonster · 17 Apr 2012 at 11:44

Outcast said:
"Look at all this ****, This isn't British people doing this. I shouldn't say it but it's the ****** Eastern Europeans doing it, they have no respect for the area and don't give a damn".

I couldn't agree more !!

And NO the councillor isn't your typically whitey, He's of Asian descent !

I wonder if he sees the irony in the fact that's the same line as was being peddled about his forebears 40 years ago.

mattyg · 17 Apr 2012 at 11:46

I think the whole system needs a overhaul.

I have no idea how to make it better by the way.

But I think its about time this country was run more like a business. If the country isn't making profit then lets NOT give anything away.

If the country was a LTD it would be trading whilst insolvent.

[FnG]magnolia · 17 Apr 2012 at 11:47

Outcast said:
UkIpper here.

The only problem round our way is the only councillor worth voting for is Tory. He's a great bloke and EVERY Saturday can be seen doing "walkabout" round the estate. Just last week I was washing the car and he came by me with all sorts of carp in his hand proclaiming (quite literally) ...

"Look at all this ****, This isn't British people doing this. I shouldn't say it but it's the ****** Eastern Europeans doing it, they have no respect for the area and don't give a damn".

I couldn't agree more !!

And NO the councillor isn't your typically whitey, He's of Asian descent !

He asked me if I'd gotten the latest tory bumph through my door to which I replied I had but said "Honestly mate, I aint a Tory voter but I do vote for you in the locals because you are the only one I've ever seen doing walkabouts and getting your hands dirty".

Perhaps he's prime "Party switching" material ?

Where to begin?

Efour · 17 Apr 2012 at 11:53

I just associate them all with "PC xenophobia."

They are moderately well exposed in my area of London but the people that vote for them are the at the posher end of the "**** out" spectrum.

Cosimo · 17 Apr 2012 at 11:57

The latest poll I've been looking at does not show that UKIP is up to third ahead of the LibDems.

The latest poll shows:

Conservative 33%
Labour 42%
Liberal Democrat/Liberal 11%
Scottish National Party/SNP4%
Plaid Cymru 1%
Other 11%

The over 60 vote is actually 65+ in this one.

Detailed poll is here:

http://www.populus.co.uk/Poll/The-Timespopulus-Poll-April-2012/

It's a case of my poll is better than yours.

wildman · 17 Apr 2012 at 12:01

desires said:
If they don't get at least one seat in the next election I'll be very disappointed.

They are the only party that might actually make changes, rather than just continuing with the LibLabCon agenda of getting as rich as possible in 5 years with no regard for the consequences to the country.

Unlikely

its easy for parties to spout rhetoric on what they would do, but once you get in the hot seat and are faced with the reality its a different kettle of fish altogether as the LibDems and Clegg are finding out much to their dismay.

mattyg · 17 Apr 2012 at 12:50

I've always wondered what information the opposing parties actually have.

Slightly off topic but obama promised to change something then as soon as he had "THAT" presidential briefing he left it well alone.