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As you know this is a pretty popular topic right now, I just wanted to share my thoughts which are not exactly main-stream at the moment, and see what you think... Obviously I am ready to get poo thrown at me 
as per GD rule.
At first I was very supportive of protesters, it seemed as right thing... People trying to get rid of a Soviet style dictator who is actually just a puppet to Russia, in hopes of achieving better living conditions.
But the more I started reading into it, more I became disappointed.... You could say that the reason why this all started is because Yanukovich turned down the EU association deal... At the time I thought this is because his warlords in Russia told him that he cant.
But as I took closer look at the EU deal and what effects it would have on Ukraine, in few short words... It would completely destroy Ukraine`s industry... All their factories are non EU compliant, money needed to modernize such factories are just at silly numbers....
Especially when manufacturers such as Antonov-aircrafts keep afloat only because Russia orders them.... With EU association, Russia will no longer buy those airplanes due to increased price and also for political reasons.
So you might say well Antonov will be given a loan to modernize themselves and all will be dandy, but in reality there is no way that they will ever be able to compete with Airbus in France, it is just impossible. They simply will not be able to pay the loan back which they took out for modernization.
Mining industry will also be completely dismantled due to same reasons it happened in UK under Thatcher, with so many regulations and limits it is just cheaper to buy coal from 3rd world country than produce themselves.
Now about the Nuclear power stations currently in Ukraine, as I understand they will also be closed down, as it happened with Lithuania.... Because those Nuclear stations are Soviet type which do not meet requirements of safety by EU...
Most likely EU will force Ukraine to build new nuclear stations which are EU compliant or make them all green with turbines and solar panels.
I had a read about Lithuania`s Nuclear Power Plant, basically after shutting it down EU proposed a new one will be built but at a price of 5 billion, with builders being sub-contracted from EU and USA and basically none of Baltic countries will even take part in the build, therefore local building companies will not benefit from this at all, the station will also be operated by outsiders.
Moreover, Russians nearby are building a EU compliant Nuclear station for the half of the price, and if you factor in the money they will have returned due to their own people working on the project we are talking at serious difference.
So what we did, is shut down a working Nuclear station which employed thousands of local people and produced electricity at pennies due to the fact that it was left for FREE by Soviets... And now forcing them to build new one for 5 billion Euros, with no locals working there and since they cant afford such expense they will now take out massive loans and pay huge % on them.
Moreover, the new nuclear station will not even be competitive since the price per megawatt has gone up drastically compared to the old one and that is the main reason why Russians built their own one nearby.
This is pretty much the same scenario Ukraine will see from EU, across all of their industries.
Also, it seems the Ukranians who are protesting believe that they will be Accepted into EU, they seem not to understand the difference between membership and assosiation, most think as soon they will sign it they will be able to go work to any place in EU.
Ukraine population is 46 million, I can imagine UK will quit EU next day if they are allowed full membership.
I had a look at at the protesters and their actions, they are extremely nationalistic and hate Russians greatly, this is a problem where around 40% of population consider themselves ethnic Russians. On the square, they waved flags of their Nazi legions of the ww2 and held portraits of Bendera the guy whos squad used to participate in ethnic cleansing of Ukraine from Russians and Polish people, there are horrific images online, they only targetted women and children and ran away at first sight of soviets. It is said that even most brutal Waffen-ss members were horrified by the methods of those Ukrainians.
We see those individuals hailed and celebrated in the square.
I also had a look at the opposition speeches in the square and nearly all of them were booed at, the only people they cheered for were the ultra nationalistic party members who held guns and called for ethnic cleansing of Ukraine and deportation of Russian speaking population.
In the end, I have split feelings... It is great that they got rid of a corrupt puppet, but it seems that now they have given way to politicians with nazi
ideologies, their parliament pretty much elected themselves and all people in key positions are with very nationalistic views.
They will now sign the EU deal no matter what, we might as well even force them to became our slaves, they will still sign it.... No one cared that in reality the Russian deal was a much better proposition, they just want to be part of EU and dont care what effects it will have on them, they seem to have this idea that EU is a wonder-place where everything is just amazing, or they simply dont care what will happen to them just as long as they get to stick it up to Russia... It is funny that at the moment UK wants to leave due to restrictions and Greece thinks it will be able to revive economy much better and faster if they left, they also seem to forget that we will simply not accept a country which is so poor and with such massive population.
Anyway rant over, throw poo at me and use the "they now have freeedom" expression
as per GD rule.At first I was very supportive of protesters, it seemed as right thing... People trying to get rid of a Soviet style dictator who is actually just a puppet to Russia, in hopes of achieving better living conditions.
But the more I started reading into it, more I became disappointed.... You could say that the reason why this all started is because Yanukovich turned down the EU association deal... At the time I thought this is because his warlords in Russia told him that he cant.
But as I took closer look at the EU deal and what effects it would have on Ukraine, in few short words... It would completely destroy Ukraine`s industry... All their factories are non EU compliant, money needed to modernize such factories are just at silly numbers....
Especially when manufacturers such as Antonov-aircrafts keep afloat only because Russia orders them.... With EU association, Russia will no longer buy those airplanes due to increased price and also for political reasons.
So you might say well Antonov will be given a loan to modernize themselves and all will be dandy, but in reality there is no way that they will ever be able to compete with Airbus in France, it is just impossible. They simply will not be able to pay the loan back which they took out for modernization.
Mining industry will also be completely dismantled due to same reasons it happened in UK under Thatcher, with so many regulations and limits it is just cheaper to buy coal from 3rd world country than produce themselves.
Now about the Nuclear power stations currently in Ukraine, as I understand they will also be closed down, as it happened with Lithuania.... Because those Nuclear stations are Soviet type which do not meet requirements of safety by EU...
Most likely EU will force Ukraine to build new nuclear stations which are EU compliant or make them all green with turbines and solar panels.
I had a read about Lithuania`s Nuclear Power Plant, basically after shutting it down EU proposed a new one will be built but at a price of 5 billion, with builders being sub-contracted from EU and USA and basically none of Baltic countries will even take part in the build, therefore local building companies will not benefit from this at all, the station will also be operated by outsiders.
Moreover, Russians nearby are building a EU compliant Nuclear station for the half of the price, and if you factor in the money they will have returned due to their own people working on the project we are talking at serious difference.
So what we did, is shut down a working Nuclear station which employed thousands of local people and produced electricity at pennies due to the fact that it was left for FREE by Soviets... And now forcing them to build new one for 5 billion Euros, with no locals working there and since they cant afford such expense they will now take out massive loans and pay huge % on them.
Moreover, the new nuclear station will not even be competitive since the price per megawatt has gone up drastically compared to the old one and that is the main reason why Russians built their own one nearby.
This is pretty much the same scenario Ukraine will see from EU, across all of their industries.
Also, it seems the Ukranians who are protesting believe that they will be Accepted into EU, they seem not to understand the difference between membership and assosiation, most think as soon they will sign it they will be able to go work to any place in EU.
Ukraine population is 46 million, I can imagine UK will quit EU next day if they are allowed full membership.
I had a look at at the protesters and their actions, they are extremely nationalistic and hate Russians greatly, this is a problem where around 40% of population consider themselves ethnic Russians. On the square, they waved flags of their Nazi legions of the ww2 and held portraits of Bendera the guy whos squad used to participate in ethnic cleansing of Ukraine from Russians and Polish people, there are horrific images online, they only targetted women and children and ran away at first sight of soviets. It is said that even most brutal Waffen-ss members were horrified by the methods of those Ukrainians.
We see those individuals hailed and celebrated in the square.
I also had a look at the opposition speeches in the square and nearly all of them were booed at, the only people they cheered for were the ultra nationalistic party members who held guns and called for ethnic cleansing of Ukraine and deportation of Russian speaking population.
In the end, I have split feelings... It is great that they got rid of a corrupt puppet, but it seems that now they have given way to politicians with nazi
ideologies, their parliament pretty much elected themselves and all people in key positions are with very nationalistic views.
They will now sign the EU deal no matter what, we might as well even force them to became our slaves, they will still sign it.... No one cared that in reality the Russian deal was a much better proposition, they just want to be part of EU and dont care what effects it will have on them, they seem to have this idea that EU is a wonder-place where everything is just amazing, or they simply dont care what will happen to them just as long as they get to stick it up to Russia... It is funny that at the moment UK wants to leave due to restrictions and Greece thinks it will be able to revive economy much better and faster if they left, they also seem to forget that we will simply not accept a country which is so poor and with such massive population.
Anyway rant over, throw poo at me and use the "they now have freeedom" expression
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I can take it seriously now!
