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That is brilliant, I would vote for him with displays of leadership like that. Beats our spineless bunch any day of the week.

Displays of leadership my bottom, its pure TV. Look up Magnitsky case, or Serdyukov trial- Putin KNOWS about the corrupt politicians but does not do a damn thing. And not because he's weak or something, because its he is only part of the system- his system, their system. He is powerless to change it, hence all this circus with "protecting russians" to hide corruption and bad economy. Russians were harassed in Tajicistan since 2003 and still are now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mL9b5LP4Ubc

Putin is just yet another oil rich dictator , charismatic in a oil rich dictator way. So was Gaddafi btw

Yeah.

Our lot say: "O great bank overlords, you forgot to write down the figure you want from the taxpayers to bail your companies out. Please, don't be modest. Oh and you can keep my pen."

No, lets have Stalin instead. Sign documents or get shot. That should sort them bankers out. Thats how economics work, really :rolleyes:
 
Displays of leadership my bottom, its pure TV. Look up Magnitsky case, or Serdyukov trial- Putin KNOWS about the corrupt politicians but does not do a damn thing. And not because he's weak or something, because its he is only part of the system- his system, their system. He is powerless to change it, hence all this circus with "protecting russians" to hide corruption and bad economy. Russians were harassed in Tajicistan since 2003 and still are now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mL9b5LP4Ubc

Putin is just yet another oil rich dictator , charismatic in a oil rich dictator way. So was Gaddafi btw


Thanks for pointing out the obvious, my comment was slightly tongue in cheek. Truth be told the whole political system in the West and East is completely broken. Doesn't matter if you vote in a tyrant or you vote in an empty shell of a leader through democracy in the west.

From top to bottom it's full of corruption/incompetency or both.

I couldn't even begin to think what the solution would be to fix the situation and I don't ever see it changing in the slightest in my life time.
 
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/op...-russia-mafia-state--2014512164523249486.html

Decent article by Leonid Ragozin for Al-Jazeera, well worth a proper read but I'll just quote the conclusion.

The ethnicisation of the Ukrainian conflict suits the Kremlin. Its worst nightmare is a Ukraine growing into an alternative Russia - a better place for talented and entrepreneurial Russians to live and work than Russia proper. Or even worse - a united pro-democracy front rising against the mafia state in all of the former Soviet republics, with Ukraine in the lead.

The West misinterprets Putin by thinking that he wants to rebuild an empire - it is much more likely that the real goal is a compact, monoethnic and ultra-nationalist Ukraine, with the Russian element reduced to a minimum. Being intimately linked to Russia at many different levels, a successful, democratic and tolerant Ukraine threatens the existence of the mafia state and that's what is at stake for the Kremlin rulers.
 
Thanks for pointing out the obvious, my comment was slightly tongue in cheek. Truth be told the whole political system in the West and East is completely broken. Doesn't matter if you vote in a tyrant or you vote in an empty shell of a leader through democracy in the west.

From top to bottom it's full of corruption/incompetency or both.

I couldn't even begin to think what the solution would be to fix the situation and I don't ever see it changing in the slightest in my life time.

My apologies, this thread had a few "go putin!" posts that were perfectly serious.;)

I disagree about similarity of east and west political systems. Ultimately, all people in all countries are self interested if not outright selfish and a perfect system with a perfect Jesus-and-Saints governent is just not possible. Western governing method is a technology, just like a computer is, and although it is not all powerful and perfect for any job, it is much more advanced than the feeble alternatives. And just like computers, it gets better through science (like economics) - albeit at a slower rate.
 
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Son of US VP Joe Biden appointed to board of major Ukrainian gas company


Hunter Biden, son of US VP Joe Biden, is joining the board of directors of Burisma Holdings, Ukraine’s largest private gas producer. The group has prospects in eastern Ukraine where civil war is threatened following the coup in Kiev.

Biden will advise on “transparency, corporate governance and responsibility, international expansion and other priorities” to ”contribute to the economy and benefit the people of Ukraine.”

Joe Biden’s senior campaign adviser in 2004, financier Devon Archer, a business partner of Hunter Biden’s, also joined the Bursima board claiming it was like ‘Exxon in the old days’.

More @ http://rt.com/business/158660-biden-son-ukraine-company/


I still remember chuckling when I saw the names of the sponsors on the board behind Victoria Nuland as she gave her "$5 billion into Ukraine" talk in Washington.

They were ExxonMobil and Chevron.
 
more spin

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27399223

'russian terrorists' ok what about kiev fascists and kiev attacking civilians :rolleyes:

You know who you remind me of? That comedy sketch by mitchell and webb 'are we the baddies?'

You storm around accusing everyone else of being fascist, whilst your mob are fixing elections, arresting people who dont agree with them, converting floors of regional offices to 'prison and interrogation' centres, forcing ukranian speakers to leave, and are led by a guy who calls himself 'the gunman'. You would have thought the moment you found yourself supporting Hezbollah, you would have that mitchell and webb moment of awakening! I guess not.

Here we go -

 
My apologies, this thread had a few "go putin!" posts that were perfectly serious.;)

I disagree about similarity of east and west political systems. Ultimately, all people in all countries are self interested if not outright selfish and a perfect system with a perfect Jesus-and-Saints governent is just not possible. Western governing method is a technology, just like a computer is, and although it is not all powerful and perfect for any job, it is much more advanced than the feeble alternatives. And just like computers, it gets better through science (like economics) - albeit at a slower rate.

Borsch, which eastern European country are you from?

Also about the oil rich dictator thing, please provide some evidence.

The reason putin runs absolute rings around the western useful idiots following a neocon zionist agenda set by the jew wolfowitz is because he came from the ground up.

I still remember chuckling when I saw the names of the sponsors on the board behind Victoria Nuland as she gave her "$5 billion into Ukraine" talk in Washington.

They were ExxonMobil and Chevron.

You couldn't make it up!
 
You storm around accusing everyone else of being fascist,

False. Try and control your fantasies.


whilst your mob are fixing elections,

If Kiev had been adults about it, they would have facilitated an international and impartial team to handle the voting, instead of declaring it illegal for them to hold a referendum. That's called repression. Think about it. If they truly believed it wasn't the majority in Luhansk and Donetsk that want separation from Kiev, or greater autonomy, then they would have been glad for a proper referendum to prove it. Ultimately, they made it clear this would not happen, so the people of both regions had to put it together themselves as best they could, as a show of public opinion if nothing else.


arresting people who dont agree with them,

Remember Odessa? Only the peaceful pro-Russia/pro-separatist/pro-autonomy survivors of the massacre were arrested by the police. While they looked on as the murderers did their bloody work.


converting floors of regional offices to 'prison and interrogation' centres,

They don't have prisons or interrogation centres in Kiev? Don't we have them too?


forcing ukranian speakers to leave,

Kiev tried to force an entire people (millions) not to speak their mothertongue (Russian). Just because they failed and it backfired, doesn't mean it shouldn't be held against them.


and are led by a guy who calls himself 'the gunman'.

Is that better, or worse, than "Tankman" or "Helicopterman"? You know, the ones being sent into the east.


You would have thought the moment you found yourself supporting Hezbollah,

Another false accusation. Thestig categorically stated that he believes them to be the lesser of two evils in Syria's fight against Al Qaeda. Would you enjoy being accused of supporting Al Qaeda just because you don't think they're as bad as Hezbollah? Grow up and stop being so childish.


You know who you remind me of? That comedy sketch by mitchell and webb 'are we the baddies?'

Don't know if you even realize, but that would make you the character played by Webb. ;)
 
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Borsch, which eastern European country are you from?

Also about the oil rich dictator thing, please provide some evidence.

The reason putin runs absolute rings around the western useful idiots following a neocon zionist agenda set by the jew wolfowitz is because he came from the ground up.

Aren't the Kiev 'fascists' positioned against the Jews? Now you're saying the Jews are behind the support Kiev gets from the West? I don't get it! :rolleyes:
 
All becomes clear! Devilish is a zionist.

That would make you an Islamo-fascist then I suppose? You really should try and keep those scary monsters under your bed where they belong.

Aren't the Kiev 'fascists' positioned against the Jews? Now you're saying the Jews are behind the support Kiev gets from the West? I don't get it! :rolleyes:

Yeah its Oulton, the jews are camped out in his attic waiting for him to go to sleep apparently. Dont go to sleep Oulton!!!! We'd hate to see anything happen to you. :rolleyes:
 
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That's not surprising, he is a neo-fascist, just like good old Nigel. Unlike Nigel, who fights imaginary Romanians and Bulgarians, Putin is quite dangerous.

Since one of Russia's geo-political goals is the UK to be separated from the EU, a vote for Nigel is in effect a vote for Putin.
 
Fascism returns to Ukraine

We easily forget how fascism works: as a bright and shining alternative to the mundane duties of everyday life, as a celebration of the obviously and totally irrational against good sense and experience. Fascism features armed forces that do not look like armed forces, indifference to the laws of war in their application to people deemed inferior, the celebration of “empire” after counterproductive land grabs. Fascism means the celebration of the nude male form, the obsession with homosexuality, simultaneously criminalized and imitated. Fascism rejects liberalism and democracy as sham forms of individualism, insists on the collective will over the individual choice, and fetishizes the glorious deed.
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Putin now presents himself as the leader of the far right in Europe, and the leaders of Europe’s right-wing parties pledge their allegiance. There is an obvious contradiction here: Russian propaganda insists to Westerners that the problem with Ukraine is that its government is too far to the right, even as Russiabuilds a coalition with the European far right. Extremist, populist, and neo-Nazi party members went to Crimea and praised the electoral farce as a model for Europe. As Anton Shekhovtsov, a researcher of the European far right, has pointed out, the leader of the Bulgarian extreme right launched his party’s campaign for the European parliament in Moscow. The Italian Fronte Nazionale praises Putin for his “courageous position against the powerful gay lobby.” The neo-Nazis of the Greek Golden Dawn see Russia as Ukraine’s defender against “the ravens of international usury.” Heinz-Christian Strache of the Austrian FPÖ chimes in, surreally, that Putin is a “pure democrat.” Even Nigel Farage, the leader of the U.K. Independence Party, recently shared Putin’s propaganda on Ukraine with millions of British viewers in a televised debate, claiming absurdly that the European Union has “blood on its hands” in Ukraine.
 
That would make you an Islamo-fascist then I suppose? You really should try and keep those scary monsters under your bed where they belong.



Yeah its Oulton, the jews are camped out in his attic waiting for him to go to sleep apparently. Dont go to sleep Oulton!!!! We'd hate to see anything happen to you. :rolleyes:

Who is we???

Schizophrenic much? :rolleyes:

Also that you spout such purile childish crap to try to avert attention from the point makes it all the more valid and you know it.

Aren't the Kiev 'fascists' positioned against the Jews? Now you're saying the Jews are behind the support Kiev gets from the West? I don't get it! :rolleyes:

You don't 'get it' zethor because you haven't looked deeply enough into history.

I suggest you read a little on bolshevism. Also see max naumanns association of German Nationalist Jews for examples of Jews supporting the Nazi party

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_German_National_Jews
 
That's not surprising, he is a neo-fascist, just like good old Nigel. Unlike Nigel, who fights imaginary Romanians and Bulgarians, Putin is quite dangerous.

At least he IS something - as opposed to Camoron, Obama, Clegg etc etc, who are just men of straw without ideals, strength, aims, or any kind of balls at all really.
 
That's not surprising, he is a neo-fascist, just like good old Nigel.

John Kerry is Jewish, but supported a NeoFacist coupe in Ukraine
Victoria 'F the EU is Jewish' but imposed a Far right Government on the people of Ukraine.

Confusing? Hell Yes.

Considered a price worth paying to advance the wolfowitz agenda and weaken the enemies of Israel?

Absolutely.
 
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