Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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firstborn said:
Please pay attention, Rroff has previously stated - he has 'reliable sources'... and don't forget his dad and somebody his uncle's friend knows.
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:rolleyes: You might have a point if it wasn't for the fact this thread has largely backed up most of my claims, eventually, as time has gone on.

Are you another bitter Enkore alt?

dowie said:
It's not really clear what you're saying, you say I'm misrepresenting you then you trot out the same claim that was rubbished weeks back re: Russia supposedly not committing the "cream of the Russian armed forces"|

Again what is that claim based on? Any links you'd care to share to support it perhaps? Since you're claiming you're being misrepresented then perhaps cite what you're referring to?
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You are still misrepresenting what I've said. There is a difference between committing the cream of their forces and the percentages used from the cream of their forces and/or the percentage they make up a committed force.
 
Rroff said:
:rolleyes: You might have a point if it wasn't for the fact this thread has largely backed up most of my claims, eventually, as time has gone on.

Are you another bitter Enkore alt?
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Not in the slightest, just mildly amused by some of the guff presented as hard fact based on nothing but guesswork and and a multitude of other sources of guff.
 
Rroff said:
You are still misrepresenting what I've said. There is a difference between committing the cream of their forces and the percentages used from the cream of their forces and/or the percentage they make up a committed force.
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OK so it's not really clear at all, why not answer the direct questions in the previous post? It's no good complaining that your seemingly dubious but vague claim has been misrepresented if you're not willing to add much clarity to it.
dowie said:
Again what is that claim based on? Any links you'd care to share to support it perhaps? Since you're claiming you're being misrepresented then perhaps cite what you're referring to?
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I would hazard a guess Russia sends in the minimum of elite troops to lead (push..) the inexperienced troops forward into battle. Without that most would probably just turn tail and run - seeing as they don't really want to be there anyway. So yes, there must certainly be a number of top quality units operating in all areas.
 
dowie said:
OK so it's not really clear at all then:
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We've had pages of people laughing at stuff like so many Russian armoured vehicles used in Ukraine being ancient BTR/BMP variants long since superseded in the Russia armed forces and tyres which have clearly not been serviced in 30 odd years, etc. etc. then suddenly people are taking exception when I say we aren't seeing Russia committing its best effort to Ukraine?!?

It could be like Jester said that is the real state of the best parts of the Russian armed forces, and there is a degree of truth to that, but that isn't the explanation here.
 
dowie said:
OK so it's not really clear at all
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If I'm reading it right the main point, or at least one of them is that Russia may be sending some of their best stuff but they're not sending much of it, and are holding most of it back in reserve. This is evidenced through the fact they haven't lost much of it whereas they're losing the old Soviet garbage on an alarming scale.

The obvious other thing that's been evidenced though is that it wouldn't matter if they did send large amounts of their best stuff, as when it comes up against western supplied weapons (NLAW, Javelin, etc) it fares just as well as the old Soviet garbage does.
 
ubersonic said:
If I'm reading it right the main point, or at least one of them is that Russia may be sending some of their best stuff but they're not sending much of it, and are holding most of it back in reserve. This is evidenced through the fact they haven't lost much of it whereas they're losing the old Soviet garbage on an alarming scale.
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Yeah, it seems like a bad claim based on nothing other than perhaps misguided belief in the strength of the Russian armed forces and higher expectations on what should have been seen. I really thought this sort of myth had been put to bed weeks ago, they're genuinely struggling here and really have sent some of their best units, they're quite desperate for manpower now. Stuff like the T-14 tanks are a complete red herring, it's not clear they necessarily work well nor have been produced in any great numbers.
 
ubersonic said:
The obvious other thing that's been evidenced though is that it wouldn't matter if they did send large amounts of their best stuff, as when comes up against western supplied weapons (NLAW, Javelin, etc) it fares just as well as the old Soviet garbage does.
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Though there may be a factor there that with the old Soviet garbage the Ukrainian forces aren't under as much pressure, which allows them to attain a higher effectiveness.

It is interesting how conservatively they've used their air force as well.
 
Minusorange said:
It's perfectly clear, they're putting piecemeal their best units while holding back the vast majority, apart from the VDV but maybe they were never as elite as were led to believe
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OK, and what's that claim based on? I mean that's what I thought he was claiming but apparently, I'm misrepresenting it.

Russia is apparently struggling for manpower yet is holding back loads of their best troops?
 
Firestar_3x said:
How many of those has Russia built and have deployed in any units in Russia?
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Only about a dozen operational and even the two used for parades, etc. have constantly broken down. Supposedly 100 being produced over 2022 for deployment to units but that was already delayed before the current situation - they are probably having to raid those washing machines and iphones stolen from Ukraine for parts to complete them.

(Or I might be making that up)
 
dowie said:
Russia is apparently struggling for manpower yet is holding back loads of their best troops?
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In abstract that makes sense fine - they can be struggling for manpower while holding back their best troops if they are trying to avoid using too many of their best troops.
 
Rroff said:
In abstract that makes sense fine - they can be struggling for manpower while holding back their best troops if they are trying to avoid using too many of their best troops.
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So what is being misrepresented here re: that claim and what is it based on?
 
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