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I wonder if Putin would order something really significant to happen while Joe is addressing the nation
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I wonder if Putin would order something really significant to happen while Joe is addressing the nation
If i remember well initially it was just pledge from NATO formally that Ukraine will not join the alliance.
Now after NATO rejected that demand Putin invaded with the plan to demilitarise and de-nazify (whatever that means).
Think about it, a document saying Ukraine cannot join NATO would have saved thousands of people. I am not saying it would be correct thought, there is an argument that Ukraine and NATO are fighting for freedom of choice.
No one will give them nukes, that is a guarantee.
I'm not sure Putin is still working to the rationale underpinning your argument any more. As much as I think the chance of direct use of nukes is low Putin has been showing some worrying signs in recent history and I don't think that is just for show - especially his talk about "what is the point of a world where Russia doesn't exist".
That's a hardline position. As I said if you think it's a lie then invest in defence shield, stop all trade with Russia and prepare for WW3.
It's not out of context, it's simply true... we don't need to apologise for pointing out that it is shocking to see this happening in a developed country, I know "civilised" is a bit old fashioned but it's true - we're not talking about warlords or tribal stuff in Africa, the middle east or Asia...
The border stuff is rather sad, I do hope all foreign nationals get to leave but it's hardly unexpected that people with US, UK, EU passports + Ukrainians would get into EU countries quicker than people from countries that would ordinarily require visas.
It's also a stark contrast to the usual refugees - we're used to seeing "refugees" and migrants hopping across multiple countries in Europe and being predominantly men of fighting age... it's always been a bit dubious. Total opposite here, it's mostly women and children fleeing and they're going to neighbouring countries in Europe.
Not exactly unreasonable that the likes of Poland, Lithuanian etc.. (of which some of Western Ukraine used to be a part) would be receptive to receiving Ukrainian refugees.
Caporegime
Christ, this thread has hit seriously crazy levels now.
I can't believe you're still buying into that, I mean have you seen the leaked "victory" speech. After all the grandstanding about it pre-invasion you're still buying Russian spin at face value.
Eh? Looks like someone's let you out of the covid bubble and you haven't realised Trump isn't president anymore.
Yes, they are, and absolutely should fight for it.
Russia is just terminally angry/jealous that all the former Soviet states have embraced western democracy and fallen under the west's umbrella.
They have nothing to blame but their own political , cultural and economic weakness, and it is why they have had to just resort to violence to try and get their way.
I'd agree.
I'd hopefully agree. The more likely putin is to come away with none of his wants the more likely things get world wide serious.
Yeah the whole nuke tangent this thread took is a bit annoying. If it was triggered due to Russia raising their readiness level, the level is still 2nd out of 4 levels and the US came out and said they do not see any threat of nuclear weapons and they are not raising their alertness level.
Understandable that it got people riled up but the US came out and said it's fine.
Understandable that it got people riled up but the US came out and said it's fine.
This is the UK Government at its best.
While all this is going on they are busy with this...
Lets just hope we the UK don't need help from other countries because we are setting a great example as always.
Corruption in all countries clearly. This government does not represent the country any more and the people in it, they are shaming us in times that we should be standing up and leading by example for the rest of world to follow, we have become all talk no action and worse our talk has also become very damaging to the safety of the world.
Our foreign secretary of all people.
https://www.itv.com/news/2022-02-28...-truss-minister-blamed-for-putin-nuclear-move
Rant over... I'm fuming today about this situation and after days of digesting it in quiet.
While all this is going on they are busy with this...
Lets just hope we the UK don't need help from other countries because we are setting a great example as always.
Corruption in all countries clearly. This government does not represent the country any more and the people in it, they are shaming us in times that we should be standing up and leading by example for the rest of world to follow, we have become all talk no action and worse our talk has also become very damaging to the safety of the world.
Our foreign secretary of all people.
https://www.itv.com/news/2022-02-28...-truss-minister-blamed-for-putin-nuclear-move
Rant over... I'm fuming today about this situation and after days of digesting it in quiet.
Better that, than to appease Russia and their absurd demands of other sovereign nations.
What if Russia's demand were that the UK gives up their military?
It's certainly a weird feeling. First time I've ever thought seriously 'this could be it' and there's nothing I can do.
It's genuinely not as much fear as regret I didn't do more before. The cliche time is precious! This was going to be the first year of nice etc. Holiday with house bought.
Even having those thoughts means there is genuinely a part of me that believes this could happen.
On plus side. If survive it I think I will live more for the moment. Rather than constantly trying to save for the future.
Gives an iota of a thought of what it's like living in constant fear or what Ukrainians are going through. Food for thought.
It's genuinely not as much fear as regret I didn't do more before. The cliche time is precious! This was going to be the first year of nice etc. Holiday with house bought.
Even having those thoughts means there is genuinely a part of me that believes this could happen.
On plus side. If survive it I think I will live more for the moment. Rather than constantly trying to save for the future.
Gives an iota of a thought of what it's like living in constant fear or what Ukrainians are going through. Food for thought.
Forget Ukraine joining NATO. After this I think NATO should be applying to join Ukraine.
Caporegime
Post this in the speakers corner thread. This is about a tragic war, not a Tory bashing threadThis is the UK Government at its best.
While all this is going on they are busy with this...
Lets just hope we the UK don't need help from other countries because we are setting a great example as always.
Corruption in all countries clearly. This government needs to go, it does not represent the country any more and the people in it, they are shaming us in times that we should be standing up and leading by example for the rest of world to follow, we have become all talk no action and worse our talk has also become very damaging to the safety of the world.
Our foreign secretary of all people.
https://www.itv.com/news/2022-02-28...-truss-minister-blamed-for-putin-nuclear-move
Rant over... I'm fuming today about this situation and after days of digesting it in quiet.
Caporegime
You are cherry-picking or only seeing the bad points and none of the good which has been done, you should stop reading the news.
Caporegime
Don't worry, plenty of other ***** have used this thread to force their political opinion on others while Ukrainian's get slaughtered by Russia.
Soldato
Just lol. Pull yourself together.
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