UK's first live test firing of the Tomahawk Land Attack Block 4

Clinkz · 3 Jul 2007 at 19:27

AcidHell2 said:
post a link then, the majority do work. all your saying is although the missiles functioned fine, the target had already left by the time it exploded.

If your so sure they are such a success, please show me the evidence. Show me reports from the Iraqi war of successful high profile assassinations via guided missiles. Bearing in mind they are so 'successful' you should be able to find plenty.

Judge Mortis · 3 Jul 2007 at 19:30

Clinkz said:
If your so sure they are such a success, please show me the evidence. Show me reports from the Iraqi war of successful high profile assassinations via guided missiles. Bearing in mind they are so 'successful' you should be able to find plenty.

Al-Zaqawi? He was no 1 on the Coalition hitlist with a $25 million bounty on his nut and 2x500lb guided weapons took him took him out.

I would call that both high profile and successful.

Glaucus · 3 Jul 2007 at 19:30

Clinkz said:
If your so sure they are such a success, please show me the evidence. Show me reports from the Iraqi war of successful high profile assassinations via guided missiles. Bearing in mind they are so 'successful' you should be able to find plenty.

the head of al-quedia za??? what was his name..

and at least one of Saddams son. But that's not what you said, you said smart bombs miss in nearly all occasion and referred to the invasion. Guided missiles for both the invasion and assassination, hit there target most of the time. However you can't program a missile to hit a person, you program it to hit the building the persons in. Not the missiles fault the persons leaves.

Clinkz · 3 Jul 2007 at 19:33

AcidHell2 said:
the head of al-quedia za??? what was his name..

and at least one of Saddams son. But that's not what you said, you said smart bombs miss in nearly all occasion and referred to the invasion. Guided missiles for both the invasion and assassination, hit there target most of the time. However you can't program a missile to hit a person, you program it to hit the building the persons in. Not the missiles fault the persons leaves.

Wrong.

Look through the propaganda and you will find countless examples in Iraq of bombed hospitals, schools, weddings, innocents women and children.

One example, with the son a possible second. My these expensive intelligent weapons are a rip roaring success.

Glaucus · 3 Jul 2007 at 19:37

Clinkz said:
Wrong.

Look through the propaganda and you will find countless examples in Iraq of bombed hospitals, schools, weddings, innocents women and children.

One example, with a possible second. My these expensive intelligent weapons are a rip roaring success.

Why don't you look at how many of them destroyed there designated targets? most of them where meant to destroy those buildings, intelligence/people on the ground got the wrong building. Also how many of them where from normal bombs.

Yes they are a roaring success. Why can't you accept that, what's your un-rational hatred for them?

Just because some plonker tells it to target a school and not the house a few feet away.

In the failed assassinations attempts, did the missile hit there designated target? yes they did.

Messiah Khan · 3 Jul 2007 at 19:39

Clinkz said:
Wrong.

Look through the propaganda and you will find countless examples in Iraq of bombed hospitals, schools, weddings, innocents women and children.

One example, with the son a possible second. My these expensive intelligent weapons are a rip roaring success.

And you would rather have these targets taken out how? Ground troops going deep into enemy territory, possibly resulting in far higher casualty figures of our own troops? Carpet bombing?

Clinkz · 3 Jul 2007 at 19:40

AcidHell2 said:
Why don't you look at how many of them destroyed there designated targets? most of them where meant to destroy those buildings, intelligence/people on the ground got the wrong building. Also how many of them where from normal bombs.

Yes they are a roaring success. Why can't you accept that, what's your un-rational hatred for them?

Just because some plonker tells it to target a school and not the house a few feet away.

My irrational hatred? Why are you so quick to defend the killing of innocents. You might be happy to live in blissful ignorance of what your superiors consider 'fair game' but I for one am not.

The real world is not a computer game. Things do not work all the time, and nothing is as easy as it may some. You are living in the dream world not me.

messiah khan said:
And you would rather have these targets taken out how? Ground troops going deep into enemy territory, possibly resulting in far higher casualty figures of our own troops? Carpet bombing?

The difference being troops are accepted casualties of war and civilians are not.

Glaucus · 3 Jul 2007 at 19:42

Clinkz said:
Things do not work all the time

I'm not living in a dream world, I've accepted mistakes happen and get on with life. It's a war, innocent people WILL die. There's nothing anyone can do about it, if we didn't use smart bombs, there would be many more thousands killed on both sides.

Clinkz said:
The difference being troops are accepted casualties of war and civilians are not.

So in a gun fight are soldiers would hit the enemy and never hit a civilian :rolleyes:

If you sent troops in you would have many more dead civilians and many more dead soldiers.

Judge Mortis · 3 Jul 2007 at 19:44

Clinkz said:
Wrong.

Look through the propaganda and you will find countless examples in Iraq of bombed hospitals, schools, weddings, innocents women and children.

One example, with the son a possible second. My these expensive intelligent weapons are a rip roaring success.

You said it .... Propaganda, as in distortion of the truth.

There have been civilian casualties during conflicts throughout the history of warfare and it is a very sad fact. What you say about smart weapons is not correct though. Bar a failure, they will destroy what they are targeted at.

Clinkz · 3 Jul 2007 at 19:44

AcidHell2 said:
Clinkz said:

Things do not work all the time/QUOTE]

I'm not living in a dream world, I've accepted mistakes happen and get on with life. It's a war, innocent people WILL die. There's nothing anyone can do about it, if we didn't use smart bombs, there would be many more thousands killed on both sides.

Click to expand...

And in the case of Iraq its an illegal war, initiated through fictitious lies about WMDs and has achieved nothing other than mass military and civilian casualties on both sides.

Yay.

Glaucus · 3 Jul 2007 at 19:47

Clinkz said:
AcidHell2 said:

And in the case of Iraq its an illegal war, initiated through fictitious lies about WMDs and has achieved nothing other than mass military and civilian casualties on both sides.

Yay.

Click to expand...

wars war, you can't have an illegal war. We haven't signed everything over to the EU.

WMD or not Saddam launched mass chemical attacks against the kurds. I'm glad he's out of power.

Shame about our lack for support after the invasion. But you can't disregard the initial act, just because the aftermath was mishandled in a bad way.

Judge Mortis · 3 Jul 2007 at 19:47

Clinkz said:
And in the case of Iraq its an illegal war, initiated through fictitious lies about WMDs and has achieved nothing other than mass military and civilian casualties on both sides.

Yay.

Which is not the issue being debated ( despite Coalition forces having a UN mandate to be there ), the subject is smart weapons and your technical aspersions on them are not correct.

NathanE · 3 Jul 2007 at 19:57

Haven't we had these things for donkeys years? :confused:

Sounds to me that we are just "reminding" our enemies that we still have them.

Glaucus · 3 Jul 2007 at 19:59

NathanE said:
Haven't we had these things for donkeys years?

Sounds to me that we are just "reminding" our enemies that we still have them.

yes but not this version, it's an update that makes it much more versatile.

NathanE · 3 Jul 2007 at 20:04

Oh, fair enough.

Judge Mortis · 3 Jul 2007 at 20:05

NathanE said:
Haven't we had these things for donkeys years?

Sounds to me that we are just "reminding" our enemies that we still have them.

We have had guided weapons for years but more recently the technology in how they are guided has been the technological step.

Azagoth · 3 Jul 2007 at 20:15

In my opinion, we have the best guided 'smart' weaponary in the World with Storm Shadow.

Gigi · 3 Jul 2007 at 20:56

Near the end of the video does the commentator go "Hot Dog!" ?

neocon · 3 Jul 2007 at 21:03

shame it cant protect you from a roadside bomb made by some illiterate terrorist

Azagoth · 3 Jul 2007 at 22:11

neocon said:
shame it cant protect you from a roadside bomb made by some illiterate terrorist

Otherwise known as well educated Iranian special forces.