Underwhelemd by the 'next' generation of consoles and games?

Just no, in no ways are the new consoles more advanced, they are literally budget PC's. Any Intel CPU, will smoke the AMD console CPU, you can go and buy a HD 7850 2GB for not much more than £100 and have way more graphics horsepower than the Xbone. That 'super charged PC architecture' is just marketing talk.

You're confusing performance and architecture, the PS4 is definitely more advanced than the PC in some ways, you can't get an APU with the same power that the PS4 currently puts out, no PC currently has a unified memory space with the performance of the PS4's.

Yes PC's are higher performing in the grand scheme of things, but it doesn't make them more advanced.

As to why Sony and Microsoft have gone with the performance and costs they have, it's simple, they both lost billions of dollars with the PS3 and Xbox 360, something that neither company want to do again.
 
This next gen is supposed to be good for PC gamers as the coding is more comparable to pc games, therefore developers are inclined to write a master which pc can take full advantage of then tone it down for the two consoles compared to porting a console made game so it plays on PC.

That's what I heard a while back from a supposed reputable source but I don't know if it's the case, so much crap flying around about the next gen it's hard to pin down any concrete facts.
 
how can you say its outdated when its better than whats available now (console wise) plus we all knew that the jump would not be as big this gen i think graphics are near as good as they will ever get. all i wanted was bigger pvp online in games like battlefield better effects etc a little bump in graphics better controllers and better party chat and better online gaming with a few other things like game capture and instant resume all in all I'm happy with what ps4 is offering for a good price
 
The current PC's weren't faster, it's just a fact. You can't just say what you think and it be true. Use Google the facts are their lol.

The Xbox 360 was not only faster with better CPU / GPU than what the PC had at the time, but it was also way more affordable.

Now you're talking about PC architecture as if some an Xbone with an AMD budget CPU, DDR3 and a low end GPU is somehow more advanced than a current PC. Bit of a joke tbh mate, current stuff i.e Haswell is way more advanced. The current PC's are far ahead of the Xbone.. If it was more advanced than PC, do you not think it could run COD higher than 720P :p come on now...

How I understood it at the time is that the tech was level to a good PC, not the high end of the time, but because it was a unified spec it was easier to utilise the power of the console therefore getting a lot more out of it than what a PC could with similar parts.
 
The current PC's weren't faster, it's just a fact. You can't just say what you think and it be true. Use Google the facts are their lol.

x1900 was released at the same time. it was faster. that's a fact. Use google yourself and confirm it.

The Xbox 360 was not only faster with better CPU / GPU than what the PC had at thew time, but it was also way more affordable.
It was more affordable, I'm not arguing that.


Now you're talking about PC architecture as if some an Xbone with an AMD budget CPU, DDR3 and a low end GPU is somehow more advanced than a current PC. Bit of a joke tbh mate

I'm not, I'm just stating some facts. some interesting hardware developments have been made with these new consoles; dont be surprised if those same features find themselves in PC hardware in a few years time, just like unified shaders did.

current stuff i.e Haswell is way more advanced. The current PC's are far ahead of the Xbone.. If it was more advanced than PC, do you not think it could run COD higher than 720P :p come on now...

james.miller said:
what do you think more advanced actually means?
 
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How I understood it at the time is that the tech was level to a good PC, not the high end of the time, but because it was a unified spec it was easier to utilise the power of the console therefore getting a lot more out of it than what a PC could with similar parts.

Yeah, no it was better. the GPU the other guy is referring to was the extreme high end, the 360 was faster, and more affordable.

The reign was short lived though as Nvidia launched the 8800 GTX and that pushed the PC ahead again.

This time the PC is already ahead and they still haven't launched. I just hope it's only a cycle of 5 years, 8 years of Xbone ports would be very bad..

Hopefully some PC developers will step up and develop PC ip's. Thing is it's a very different market now as well, I'm not sure if developers have the money to take the risk.. Oh well console ports at 4K will be something to look forward to :p..
 
Yeah totally agree, like I said, I still think the PS4 will eventually get some exclusive content that will be worth getting, because it can still deliver great experiences, but at launch their is nothing that looks new or next gen, just rehases, in the case of the Xbone rehashes not even at 1080P, this is very poor for launch imho.


For people who also play on PC, consoles are there for the exclusive games. I want to get a PS4 for the first party Sony games that I like.

"Next gen" isn't a look, that's not how generations work. Also, if you're saying you're underwhelemed by the visuals the PS4 brings, then maybe you've not really looked in to it all that much?

I'm not sure why people are obsessing so much about what the Xbox one can do, surely it's irrelevant if you're not interested in the games that are on the Xbox One?

The same goes for the Wii U. Its hardware specs have been used by troglodytes to claim that it isn't part of the next generation of consoles. This isn't how generations work, and the hardware of the Wii U is only really relevant in relation to previous Nintendo consoles, so the Wii U is a big step up from the Wii. People don't buy Nintendo consoles to be at the forefront of graphical quality, they buy them to play Nintendo games, which are looking decent anyway.


Although the PC eventually surpasses consoles, at launch consoles are usually ahead of the PC. This is the first generation that at launch the consoles are already inferior in performance. It's very lackluster..

People who claim to have been around for a long time seem to claim this a fair amount, it's not actually true.

When the 360 game out, there were PCs available with more raw power than the Xbox 360 was capable of.

When the PS3 came out, it had a GPU with performance that was in between a 7800GTX and a 7600GT. The 8800GTX was out around the same time as the PS3's launch.

The main issue with this generation's release is that because the consoles are using very familiar hardware, only old fool can talk rubbish about stuff they don't understand, and claim that because the GPU performance is the same as a 7850, that games will look no better than what a 7850 can handle.

The actual raw performance is what matters, but because of the point of reference people can make, they get carried away and talk a load of crap. This generation's release isn't much different to the previous generation's releases, outside of the point of reference you can make.

The PS3 to PS4 is jump of around 1000% in graphical power available. Considering what can be done with the PS3's measly GPU even now, it's not something you should just flippantly dismiss the way you are.

No contribution to thread whatsoever, the whole point is consoles at launch usually are ahead of the PC, the PC then plays catchup and eventually surpasses the consoles, this time is very very different. The 'next gen' consoles are out dated in terms of performance before they have even launched.. Maybe you're just not old enough to remember previous console launches..

You can hardly judge the quality of replies to a thread with such a flawed premise. The whole point is that your premise is wrong, consoles are not usually ahead of PCs in terms of hardware, they are ahead in terms of what the hardware can do relatively.

This time is not very very different, and the only reason you can say they are outdated is because of what I said above, there is a point of reference that you can make (7850 GPU).

It's amusing that you suggest they are maybe too young to remember previous generations, whilst you demonstrate that you yourself can't remember them either. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
 
the price of a console vs pc isnt a valid argument imo, you cant build a pc for £400 that will have the lifespan of a PS4/Xbone, you may get a decent one for now but for that price you will be at a comprimise and it will be a very basic spec in 6 years time when the ps4 will still have games coming out for it looking better then ever.

it also adds simplicity, you buy a game you put it in (download a shedload of updates it now seems) and play, no drivers no upgrades no settings to tweak.

both have advantages as to me the simplicity of console gaming is better for me where pc gaming suited me better 10 years ago or so
 
My opinion is that platform owners dont have the stomach this time around to subsidise the console price so that the spec within was substantial enough to be comparable to top-end PC technology.

Thats really no surprise to me when Sony as a company arent doing well at all and pretty much hoping that the PS4 keeps them going, while MS is staving off investors who want the Xbox division gone primarily because of how poor/delayed the investment is when it comes to gaming. I think both have done their level best to ensure their console at launch is as near profitable as they can get it/compete with...

With the realisation of technology like Gaikai in the background, perhaps this could be the last generation that relies on local computation for gaming and so that comparison to PC gaming might just become null and void. Its an interesting thought which seems far-fetched today, but in 5+ years time its possible and in some countries today its an easily realised idea. The idea of cloud processing just isnt that new, its just gaming requires a far better internet backbone and thats really the stick in the mud...

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
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I think games honestly look good enough as is, even a 'big' jump wouldn't be that much of a visible difference to most people I would think.

This is another issue, I think a lot of people have a very limited perception of quality, which is why you've got people saying that the PS4 isn't a big graphical jump compared to the PS3.

I think conversely, a fair amount of PC gamers have the opposite, in that they are more susceptible to see graphical differences where there isn't any, or greatly exaggerate the ones that are there.
 
*Snip* consoles are not usually ahead of PCs in terms of hardware

Yes at launch consoles in the past were ahead of PC.

PC would play catchup and surpass, this time PC is already ahead. Stop flaming and use google.

My opinion is that platform owners dont have the stomach this time around to subsidise the console price so that the spec within was substantial enough to be comparable to top-end PC technology.

Yeah I agree with this.
 
The PS3 to PS4 is jump of around 1000% in graphical power available. Considering what can be done with the PS3's measly GPU even now, it's not something you should just flippantly dismiss the way you are.

To be fair most of the advanced graphics the PS3 does these days aren't done on the GPU, they are done on CELL.
 
My opinion is that platform owners dont have the stomach this time around to subsidise the console price so that the spec within was substantial enough to be comparable to top-end PC technology.

Thats really no surprise to me when Sony as a company arent doing well at all and pretty much hoping that the PS4 keeps them going, while MS is staving off investors who want the Xbox division gone primarily because of how poor/delayed the investment is when it comes to gaming. I think both have done their level best to ensure their console at launch is as near profitable as they can get it/compete with...

With the realisation of technology like Gaikai in the background, perhaps this could be the last generation that relies on local computation for gaming and so that comparison to PC gaming might just become null and void. Its an interesting thought which seems far-fetched today, but in 5+ years time its possible and in some countries today its an easily realised idea...

ps3ud0 :cool:

The PS4's graphical capability is around 10x more than that of the PS3, with a much more powerful CPU that is much easily to program for, and 24x more RAM.

Tell me more about the PS4 being not much of a step up compared to the PS3.

They haven't compromised on hardware, they have instead opted to go for somewhat off the shelf hardware instead of trying to design crazy over the top chips (Cell BE et al) that might have the theoretical performance on paper, but may as well be much less powerful because developers struggle to make use of it fully.

They have realised that it isn't hardware that differentiates between platforms, but the available software. For example, whilst I find the performance differences between the Xbox One and PS4 an interesting subject academically, it doesn't mean much to me on a practical level because I am not interested in the games on offer for the Xbox One, so there was never a choice for me to make between the two.

The same goes for those interested in Xbox One games. The PS4 is demonstrably more powerful, but that doesn't mean a thing if the games you want to play are only available on Xbox.
 
Hype > reality.

:p

[joke]Above is funny, show me one developer using every bit of juice these systems have those specs mean almost nothing as it stands really could be 100000000000000000000x times more powerful for all the devs cared besides how much does it take to make 15 call of dutys on the same engine with new maps these days? :p[joke]

Will be the same as this gen, "crap" at first and gradually better and better till announcement of the next-next-gen.
 
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Yes at launch consoles in the past were ahead of PC.

PC would play catchup and surpass, this time PC is already ahead. Stop flaming and use google.

No they're not, and no they wouldn't. Why don't you read the posts you are responding to instead of moaning that you're being flamed?

It's your issue that you don't know what you're talking about. When the PS3 came out, the 8800GTX came out at around the same time. The PS3's GPU was roughly in between a 7600GT and 7800GTX.

Tell me more about how an 8800GTX plays catchup with a 7800GTX, never mind something less powerful.

You don't seem to be able to understand WHY consoles achieve the graphical effects they do given the hardware.

To be fair most of the advanced graphics the PS3 does these days aren't done on the GPU, they are done on CELL.

I don't know how much of a fair assessment that is, though I suspect it's a bit of an exaggeration, considering the Xbox 360 has somewhat similar overall performance and manages roughly the same quality (except multiplatforms tend to look better on the 360).
 
The PS4's graphical capability is around 10x more than that of the PS3, with a much more powerful CPU that is much easily to program for, and 24x more RAM.

Tell me more about the PS4 being not much of a step up compared to the PS3.

They haven't compromised on hardware, they have instead opted to go for somewhat off the shelf hardware instead of trying to design crazy over the top chips (Cell BE et al) that might have the theoretical performance on paper, but may as well be much less powerful because developers struggle to make use of it fully.

They have realised that it isn't hardware that differentiates between platforms, but the available software. For example, whilst I find the performance differences between the Xbox One and PS4 an interesting subject academically, it doesn't mean much to me on a practical level because I am not interested in the games on offer for the Xbox One, so there was never a choice for me to make between the two.

The same goes for those interested in Xbox One games. The PS4 is demonstrably more powerful, but that doesn't mean a thing if the games you want to play are only available on Xbox.
Im confused why youve quoted my post and then gone on a tangent that doesnt even follow my point...

And a lot of what youve said is hyperbole and doesnt even address the point that Boomstick777 was trying to make

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
Here's a link for Spoffle and co..

"Nvidia: Consoles Can No Longer Surpass PC Graphics"

Ask yourself this, why would Nvidia be saying Consoles Can No Longer Surpass PC if they hadn't done so in the past?

Tony Tamasi : Nvidia senior vice president.

He revealed that, unlike generations in the past that were on par if not better than many performance PCs at launch, console makers no longer have the resources to jump ahead of the PC gaming hardware market.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-consoles-gpu-graphics-power,24390.html

So yeah, Nvidia acknowledge it, but somehow Spoffle knows different :p

This gen is def more of a refresh, let's just hope it's shortlived. Phones will be more powerful in a few years :p
 
what part of 'on par with if not better than many (not all)' are you not understanding?

Once the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 arrived, their hardware was on par with the PC at launch.

ORLY. Well that doesnt at all support your argument at all.

boomstick777 said:
Just google the PS3 / Xbox 360 launch VS PC, they were miles ahead, triple core CPU's when most PC's users were on single cores, high end GPU's. Blu Ray in the PS3, they were massively improved over PC, and much much cheaper. Especially the Xbox 360.
 
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I also wouldnt rely on nVidia links, they arent particularly happy to be frozen out of the massive console contracts and so have spent quite a lot of PR revolving around how ahead PC gaming is compared to console gaming. Theyve got quite an axe to grind so dont seek impartial quotes there

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
Here's a link for Spoffle and co..

"Nvidia: Consoles Can No Longer Surpass PC Graphics"

Ask yourself this, why would Nvidia be saying Consoles Can No Longer Surpass PC if they hadn't done so in the past?

Tony Tamasi : Nvidia senior vice president.



http://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-consoles-gpu-graphics-power,24390.html

So yeah, Nvidia acknowledge it, but somehow Spoffle knows different :p

This gen is def more of a refresh, let's just hope it's shortlived. Phones will be more powerful in a few years :p
don't amd supply the gpus for both ps4 and xbone ??
 
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