Uni grades?

I thought Honours meant you did a dissertation?

I've never even heard of that. No dissertation required for Joint Honours.

The Honours bit is the classification. Non honours is simply a pass / fail. The "honours" are either first, second or third class, with second class having two divisions, first and second.

eg - My certificate says Bachelor of Arts with Second Class Honours : 1st Division.
 
It may do for graduate level positions, but once you've gone beyond that level no-one really cares in my experience.
I got a Desmond in my degree and got a grad position by the back door.

Since then I've worked at several big investment banks whose graduate schemes I wouldn't have got onto with my degree classification, but applying as an experienced candidate they didn't give a monkeys.

Well there are people at MD level in banks with just A-levels but they're not the norm and they've had to rely on a lot more luck in addition to hard work/ambition.

If you're in IT and you've got a particular skillset then I guess it doesn't matter... I know one borderline autistic guy who is on a ridiculous daily rate as he knows a particular bit of software very well, (I think his highest qualifications are a handful of GCSEs) he's simply able to resolve production issues very rapidly - he finds it hard to communicate what he did but he gets the job done incredibly quickly. He'll only ever be a support bod but he's taking home more than a fair few of the younger traders he is supporting.
 
Since then I've worked at several big investment banks whose graduate schemes I wouldn't have got onto with my degree classification, but applying as an experienced candidate they didn't give a monkeys.

Similar to me in that I'd not have gotten on my current employers grad scheme, but am there now where the grades haven't mattered one bit (nor the fact I even have a degree) many years later as an experienced hire.

Not sure my career path would have been any different really if I'd have had a better grade, first job I had would have still have been one I'd have wanted for a number of reasons and things went well from there (wasn't a grad role as such, degree was requirement but grade irrelevant).

Probably didn't matter quite as much back then as it does now as competition with grad roles seems mental nowadays.

Saying that I wish I could go back and redo Uni now and put more effort in, had a slack second year and was playing catch up in the third year. Combination of motivation and immaturity at the time, be nice to go and do it right!

May look at doing a Masters at some point.
 
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Well there are people at MD level in banks with just A-levels but they're not the norm and they've had to rely on a lot more luck in addition to hard work/ambition.

If you're in IT and you've got a particular skillset then I guess it doesn't matter... I know one borderline autistic guy who is on a ridiculous daily rate as he knows a particular bit of software very well, (I think his highest qualifications are a handful of GCSEs) he's simply able to resolve production issues very rapidly - he finds it hard to communicate what he did but he gets the job done incredibly quickly. He'll only ever be a support bod but he's taking home more than a fair few of the younger traders he is supporting.

I am in IT (software dev) and I'd like think that I'm reasonably decent at it, and that's what has enabled my progress over the years.

I've worked with various PhDs, who are all incredibly smart people but one of the best developers ever I've worked with, and would hire again in an instant, left school after A-levels.

Saying that I wish I could go back and redo Uni now and put more effort in, had a slack second year and was playing catch up in the third year. Combination of motivation and immaturity at the time, be nice to go and do it right!

May look at doing a Masters at some point.

That's similar to me as well. I don't think my 2:2 has held me back, but I know I could have done better and there's a nagging feeling in my mind that perhaps I should have tried a bit harder to achieve a decent result!
 
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You maximise your effort to reward ratio by getting a 2:1, a lot of doors are closed with less than that.

Also congrats to OP for doing well!
 
Seeing as everyone else glossed over this and carried on with last year's discussion, thought I'd highlight it and say congrats, big step up from thinking you would probably get a 2.2 last January

Thanks for noticing! And yes, i did a lot better than i anticipated.

Didn't even notice the bump, good work OP!

congrats man, amazing!

I would say I'm jealous, but I have no one to blame but myself

You maximise your effort to reward ratio by getting a 2:1, a lot of doors are closed with less than that.

Also congrats to OP for doing well!

Grats on your First class Honors degree in....... ? :P

Be honest now......

When i was at uni anything under a 2:1 was considered a total waste of 3 years.. Im glad i got the 2:1 for what its worth.

Thanks for the comments, it was tough as i am a mature, distance learner with a full time job and family - i couldn't have done it without works or my support at home.

And i studied 'David Beckham - the early years through to the Golden Ball era".










Maybe not, Computer Sciences - Security and Intelligence. Modules included:

• Computer Networks and Security
• IT Support for Intelligence
• Digital Forensics (including mobile devices)
• Ethical Hacking
• Penetration Testing

and the relevant toolsets.
 
Always best to aim for the highest possible, and make that your goal. I just can't understand the logic in doing anything but that!? Especially with something that's such a large financial and time investment such as a degree.
 
It may do for graduate level positions, but once you've gone beyond that level no-one really cares in my experience.
I got a Desmond in my degree and got a grad position by the back door.

Don't you have to know someone before getting access to the back doors in general?
 
Don't you have to know someone before getting access to the back doors in general?

In general, possibly.
My back door was taking an £11K temp data entry job, getting taken on permanently in that role, then applying internally for a graduate level position.
 
Talking like that...wow.
Yes I would like fries with that.

On a serious note I hope all goes well for you :).

You mean using a word properly?

"Learned (but not learnt) is also an adjective, pronounced as two syllables (ˈləːnɪd) rather than the one syllable verb (ləːnt or ləːnd). The adjective, when said of a person, means 'having acquired much knowledge through study'. It can also be used of objects, meaning 'showing, requiring, or characterized by learning; scholarly'."

Thanks for my daily chuckle.

:)
 
I would not have secured a place on the graduate scheme I ended up on without a 2:1

Past that though, no-one has cared.

The graduate scheme turned out to be useless anyway, and as soon as I had acquired some additional technical skills, I was off.

My current boss doesn't have a degree, and until he mentioned it I neither noticed nor cared - and I still don't.
 
The nerds and geeks simply don't fit into the group of people capable of getting a First.

I think the exception is probably ex-poly garden shed universities where geeks and nerds do get a First. At a Russell group, no, they get 2.2s or low 2.1s and have a miserable time at university.

Surely depends what you class a nerd? You definitely don't need to be a nerd to get a first, however I've known people I'd class as nerds who got 1sts from Russell Group/Red Brick unis.

Your statement is very sweeping, it can very much depend on the subject as to what skills you need to get a first.
 
I am certainly no nerd and i secured a First. It did however help that:

a. i was immensely interested in the subject.

b. i realised how important a good grade could be to my career prospects.

c. I had the support of work and family.

and no it wasn't an 'ex-poly garden shed university'. In fact the uni has designed facial recognition software for the police and is currently developing software for the military that gives a ground appreciation for commanders - some interesting stuff happening!
 
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