ai is the laziest thing on the planet. basically all peoples already made ideas combined to give someone a easy answer. worst thing in the human race to happen. the term ai is stupid infact beyond stupid as it isnt ai either its just our ideas bottled then programmed to give the answer from our ideas. so not ai at all.I'm on the other end of the spectrum and am encouraging my son to use or experiment with Ai as all his cohort will be getting one up on him.
He says, no and never will, writes with a fountain pen and hates anything PC/tech relatedHe was also relieved to hear that his uni will be stopping digital coursework / exams due to this very issue
Despite this - the funny thing is that he's acing all his exams which is surprising me.
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I hate AI myself.
For me I know I could get AI to write things like "what do I put in my card on anniversary" or something like that.
But that's just a path to me not thinking.
I know it would save me time etc etc but I just don't want to not use my brain. It's frustrating as it's going to penetrate work more and more. And I know I have to use it. But I don't like it.
For me I know I could get AI to write things like "what do I put in my card on anniversary" or something like that.
But that's just a path to me not thinking.
I know it would save me time etc etc but I just don't want to not use my brain. It's frustrating as it's going to penetrate work more and more. And I know I have to use it. But I don't like it.
What do you honestly expect? You're not going to have access to any internal tools and resources. Any University site will basically just contain their prospectus and a bit about the University, and what fees they charge. Everything else will be on a student portal needing a login to access.
The funny thing is that's not really what AI is intended for. It takes zero intelligence to come up with something to write in an anniversary card.
Think of how AI will get used on a significantly grander scale. Think of it solving mathematical problems that even the brightest brains on earth struggle to do - and in record time. Think of how big a role it will play in science - imagine medical research, and it figuring out things that might take humans years or decades to discover.
But we use tools all the time. But if AI goes the way I think it will. It will make most humans obsolete.
It doesn't have to be used for simple mundane tasks but it will be. And if it is what is there even left to do?
Sure some people might for a while be able to guide/monitor these AIs. But so many people will be obsolete.
Can't actually wrap my head around what proper AGI or even much more capable AI is going to be.
Just one example is films. It won't be long before AI can spam out a film. This is the wrong thread for this. But I do wonder. How much thinking the average person will even do.im future.
Man walked on the moon using human calculations assisted by Hewlett Packard calculators and a few extremely limited computers.
Is your lad prone to wearing a monocle and carry a pocket watch too?
Fair play to him though for staying ‘old school’ - and good luck to him with his studies.
I see a future where UBI likely becomes a necessity, which also makes larger populations obsolete in turn. The issue is our fiscal growth models are obsolete, I won't go into why I think that way as I feel it might overly derail the thread unnecessarily but suffice it to say I think that population decline is healthy to a degree.
It might not happen in the next decade or two, but it's not a million miles off either. I'm very, very much against going to university for the sake of it, unless you're looking at STEM and are actually competent you're possibly taking on more debt than you'll ultimately pay off. That was semi-true a decade or two ago, it's increasingly true to this day and the slack is often picked up in the worst ways. Case in point, I know a gentleman who decided to get a degree in Spanish (language) 15 + years ago, he's yet to pay off the debt of time spent and has never worked more than minimum wage jobs. If you're skilled in languages and want to make a career from it you need to be damned good, especially with one which is relatively easy to pick up as a native English speaker. If he'd opted to learn Mandarin I'd have an entirely different opinion, but he's a soft spoken introvert that was conned into higher education because he liked something that would never serve him long term. The sad thing is, he's really good with practical type stuff, taught himself to lay bricks, plaster, and a few other things.
Uni for the sake of uni is worthless, and the fact people are stressing out over AI while within the system is painfully telling.
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I'm on the other end of the spectrum and am encouraging my son to use or experiment with Ai as all his cohort will be getting one up on him.
He says, no and never will, writes with a fountain pen and hates anything PC/tech related
Despite this - the funny thing is that he's acing all his exams which is surprising me.
Don't knock it.. the fountain pen is an elegant weapon from a more civilized age.
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Education has plagiarism checkers, they were using them even when I started working in HE about 12 years ago…
The issue with having AI or any plagiarism is simply that the user may get an award or grade that they are not entitled for, therefore a position in a company where they are not suited for. Best case scenario, they will get found out and it will be corrected. Worst case, their life is a misery and they cause their co-workers life a misery.
We had an new employee where their CV looked mighty impressive, they worked with us for a year… came in like a bull in a China shop.. their balloon got deflated, when they realised that for most of the time we work in silo.. where in their previous role they used to work in a team and it was “the team” that accomplished their claims.
It looks suss when post grads are handing in papers that reads like op-eds that could win a noble prize.
The issue with having AI or any plagiarism is simply that the user may get an award or grade that they are not entitled for, therefore a position in a company where they are not suited for. Best case scenario, they will get found out and it will be corrected. Worst case, their life is a misery and they cause their co-workers life a misery.
We had an new employee where their CV looked mighty impressive, they worked with us for a year… came in like a bull in a China shop.. their balloon got deflated, when they realised that for most of the time we work in silo.. where in their previous role they used to work in a team and it was “the team” that accomplished their claims.
It looks suss when post grads are handing in papers that reads like op-eds that could win a noble prize.
Uni - "Why haven't you handed in your assignment, you've missed the deadline and all the late days?"
Daughter - "My dad told me not to because [some paranoia]"
Uni - "OK, that doesn't count as mitigating circumstance you've got zero for the assignment"
She's supposed to be an adult now, I'm not sure what you're doing getting involved in the minutia of how assignments are uploaded, that's like helicopter parenting on steroids. There will be multiple people she can turn to for advice at the uni and the student's union all of whom will know more and be able to give better advice than you can.
Yep that's right, they've been around for years and they're not necessarily too sophisticated, or at least anti-plagiarism tools that make use of AI have (there are also attempts these days to make tools that detect the use of AI in work but these are very dubious). It's not a massive issue for tutors/lecturers though as the tools don't just give a similarity score (it would be pointless to ping someone for plagiarism based on that alone) rather they highlight the lines/blocks of text that match existing work. If someone's paraphrased stuff they've cited then that won't likely be flagged but if someone has quoted lines directly then that will be but so long as there is a citation there then it's not plagiarism - they should always take into account what is actually being highlighted. Things like the standard assignment title and the bibliography will often be highlighted for a start.. like no **** someone has cited the paper/book that dozens if not hundreds or more people have also cited.
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I really hope they don't go nuts with this. I use AI for my uni work - it's even encouraged by some lecturers as it's such a time saver.
I use it primarily for two things: structuring work (tell me howto structure X essay) or to re-write stuff for me. I think if you put original ideas in, it doesn't really matter than the AI has tidied it up for you.
I use it primarily for two things: structuring work (tell me howto structure X essay) or to re-write stuff for me. I think if you put original ideas in, it doesn't really matter than the AI has tidied it up for you.
That is the mother of all leaps
My daughter is using AI to CHECK her work is not getting flagged as AI generated. She uses the Uni plagiarism software to check for well, any signs of plagiarism.
The AI check is something she has personally initiated, not a Uni requirement and is certainly NOT delaying her handing in her work on time.
She is just doing her due diligence prior to any submissions. My concern is that adding her work to a free online AI checker, i do not know where that data will end up.
Ah fair enough, I still wouldn't worry about it.
It's completely pointless to use an AI checker if it's her own work, not to mention they're not necessarily any good at detecting AI in the first place.
I wouldn't worry too much about where the data ends up though, I'd not use one personally but it's hardly likely to be a big deal - if someone else copies or inadvertently ends up using her work because it ends up in a training set somehow then that's on them - they'll get flagged by Turnitin at their institution not her.
It's completely pointless to use an AI checker if it's her own work, not to mention they're not necessarily any good at detecting AI in the first place.
I wouldn't worry too much about where the data ends up though, I'd not use one personally but it's hardly likely to be a big deal - if someone else copies or inadvertently ends up using her work because it ends up in a training set somehow then that's on them - they'll get flagged by Turnitin at their institution not her.
Turnitin presumably? Her work is going to get put into it by the university anyway, most likely, so it isn't any more or less safe for her to do it herself. The AI checking doesn't work, of course, but that doesn't stop unis using it. Meanwhile Turnitin get to play both sides against the middle by charging unis to use their software to detect plagarism and AI and then getting cheating students to pay to pre-screen their essays so they can get the percentage detected down before submission. If she's using it because she's using AI and wants to see whether the uni will detect it, tell her to check her references instead - hallucinated references is the major tell of AI essay slop.
As for Grammarly, it's just plain bad, but it's not dangerous or anything. Presuming your daughter is a native speaker, she's better off not using it - especially for academic work where its suggestions frequently go against the style that is best for the subject she's studying.
As for Grammarly, it's just plain bad, but it's not dangerous or anything. Presuming your daughter is a native speaker, she's better off not using it - especially for academic work where its suggestions frequently go against the style that is best for the subject she's studying.
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people probably said the same about the pencil, the type writer, the computer.
AI sucks anyway for anything complicated, also they rely on a lot of data that might not be factually correct, depending on where they scraped it from, and that's only going to get worse.
can AI spot fake images? or fake movies yet, they will always be one step behind imo. hows an AI supposed to spot fake news?
They can barely code right now, you need like 3 AI in a chain to get out anything but dog poop
They seem to be going for upper class jobs anyway like artists , designers etc. I hope AI takes them all.
no one cared when AI came for the poor, what makes them special? it's like keeping the mines open just to keep jobs going... makes no sense.
what did they always tell us, you can't hold back change...
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Students’ use of AI spells death knell for critical thinking | Letters
Letters: Prof Andrew Moran and Dr Ben Wilkinson on the ramifications of the explosion in university essays being written with artificial intelligence
www.theguardian.com
The much vaunted advantage claimed by the denizens of SC ie critical thinking may be destined to history by the number of students resorting to the likes of ChatGPT to write their university work. Perhaps the overly educated underly experienced will soon be little more then bots (seemingly many already are). Working as a means to live may soon return to dominance as university education appears to be succumbing to keyboard success in AI as the main attribute followed by a period of NEETism to recover.