There is. If Ferrari get into trouble it will be for breaking this. What they have done so far is perfectly legal.
United States Grand Prix 2012, Austin - Race 19/20
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There is. If Ferrari get into trouble it will be for breaking this. What they have done so far is perfectly legal.
against the "spirit" of the rules however
Im not suggesting they are the only team to do this, RB/Vettel did it very recently too (as do most of the teams in one way or another)
Doesnt mean it shouldnt be stopped by the FIA however.
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The teams must be really worried about the wrong side of the grid, he's only gained 1 place which Massa would have handed to him anyway.
They reckon it's worth 2 places being on the clean side
I'm not disputing that, however Ferrari were the only team blocking alternative solutions that would have resulted in a full race irrespective of the championship status or otherwise. That "race" was a <vettel sweary> of epic proportions that should never have got to that stage.
The US GP was the only race the Scuderia won that season. Co-incidence? I think not.
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I don't know why people think RBR would do this to Webber, wrong side of the grid, who cares, Alonso will be closer to the front and closer to getting enough points to stop Webber winning.
The Massa gear box will be as much about bumping Alonso up a place and making more room for him to pass at the start as the good side of the grid. Webber dropping behind Alonso is bad for RBR no matter what way you look at it.
Also for the Vettel/RBR crap stirrers who think this is cheating, it is, but still no where near the level's RBR are persueing. The rules are written not explicitly, but with the full intention of giving the drivers a minimum wing height, minimum ride height, and maximum wing flex, RBR have completely ignored this rule for 2 years at least and its had a huge impact on their car's performance, they purposefully break the intent of the rules by producing something that breaks the rules and passes the test.
Red Bull have been bringing the sport into disrepute in that sense, for years and a huge portion of their wins have been down to that kind of cheating and not getting caught way they operate. Moving Alonso up one grid place doesn't even rank in comparison, in comparison a TR moving over to let Vettel pass through unhinded is nothing compared to RBR's front wing rule breaking IMHO.
Personally I don't like what Ferrari have done, and more importantly I think they are only shooting themselves in the foot by not giving Massa who has been an also excellent starter, a chance to get as far ahead as possible and help Alonso out that way.
I won't even mention how Webber smashed into a car right after Vettel pitted last week, causing a safety car, when it really looks like he had time to avoid the whole incident..... giving Vettel the maximum gain of new tyres and negating his pit stop entirely
The Massa gear box will be as much about bumping Alonso up a place and making more room for him to pass at the start as the good side of the grid. Webber dropping behind Alonso is bad for RBR no matter what way you look at it.
Also for the Vettel/RBR crap stirrers who think this is cheating, it is, but still no where near the level's RBR are persueing. The rules are written not explicitly, but with the full intention of giving the drivers a minimum wing height, minimum ride height, and maximum wing flex, RBR have completely ignored this rule for 2 years at least and its had a huge impact on their car's performance, they purposefully break the intent of the rules by producing something that breaks the rules and passes the test.
Red Bull have been bringing the sport into disrepute in that sense, for years and a huge portion of their wins have been down to that kind of cheating and not getting caught way they operate. Moving Alonso up one grid place doesn't even rank in comparison, in comparison a TR moving over to let Vettel pass through unhinded is nothing compared to RBR's front wing rule breaking IMHO.
Personally I don't like what Ferrari have done, and more importantly I think they are only shooting themselves in the foot by not giving Massa who has been an also excellent starter, a chance to get as far ahead as possible and help Alonso out that way.
I won't even mention how Webber smashed into a car right after Vettel pitted last week, causing a safety car, when it really looks like he had time to avoid the whole incident..... giving Vettel the maximum gain of new tyres and negating his pit stop entirely
Was it hell.
Michelin brought along inadequate tyres. The Michelin teams disingenuously sent their cars to the dummy grid with no intention of actually taking part in the race. The sight of six cars out there ready to warm up might have forced an eleventh hour knocking together of heads to come up with a workable solution, instead they pulled out when it was far too late to do anything about it.
They were presented with several options pre-race. They could go slower through the final turn to preserve their tyres, they could change them as they got damaged and take a penalty, but no. Instead, they try and get new tyres flown in (can't do that, sets bad precedent) or get a chicane built (can't do that, denies Bridgestone teams an advantage that they deserve for having rubber that actually works).
If anyone other than Michelin could be blamed for that fiasco, it would be the FIA for banning tyre changing that season in the first place. A rule brought in to hobble Ferrari, by the way.
I won't even mention how Webber smashed into a car right after Vettel pitted last week, causing a safety car, when it really looks like he had time to avoid the whole incident..... giving Vettel the maximum gain of new tyres and negating his pit stop entirely
You on crack bro?
I think Ferrari have a made a mistake here.
I'd prefer Massa up front, mixing it with the leaders and perhaps holding the front runners up.
If Alonso now ends up having a bad start, all this would've been for nothing.
If Massa had been left alone, even if Alonso had a bad start, Alonso could scythe through the field, while Massa could hold up people ahead, allowing Alonso to catch up.
Anyway, its done and dusted, so lets just wait and see what happens.
I'd prefer Massa up front, mixing it with the leaders and perhaps holding the front runners up.
If Alonso now ends up having a bad start, all this would've been for nothing.
If Massa had been left alone, even if Alonso had a bad start, Alonso could scythe through the field, while Massa could hold up people ahead, allowing Alonso to catch up.
Anyway, its done and dusted, so lets just wait and see what happens.
One day in fairy land when F1 is regulated by the spirit of the rules and teams are paid in hopes and flowers statements like this might start meaning something.
At the moment it just means "perfectly legal but I don't like it".
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Either way ferrari cant win the title unless vettel has a DNF they have to do something and u cant blame them imo.
I don't think I can be bothered watching this.
Nothing much else better to do on a Sunday evening tbh
