University.

He isn't in THEIR country, so the onus is not on him to learn their language... the onus is on immigrants to learn ours, or preferably not come here.

No the onus is on people like you to open your blinkered eyes and wake up to the 21st century leaving your xenophobic stigma in the dark ages where it belongs.

As a fellow human, and a Briton, your unfounded racist opinions disgust me to the core.
 
Ah yes, integrate.

Multiculturalism is the opposite of integration, the two are mutually exclusive.

No, the key to multiculturalism, and the very back-bone of human existence, is to simply realise that the fellow people who you share and inhabit this small world with are in fact, human, just like yourself.
 
No, the key to multiculturalism, and the very back-bone of human existence, is to simply realise that the fellow people who you share and inhabit this small world with are in fact, human, just like yourself.

Great soundbite. Meaningless though. I know we have to share the planet, we don't have to share our COUNTRY with all and sundry though. We don't have enough space for a start.
 
Great soundbite. Meaningless though. I know we have to share the planet, we don't have to share our COUNTRY with all and sundry though. We don't have enough space for a start.

Not enough space? Thats funny. I spent 5 days hiking through Sutherland and Wester Ross and didn't come across a soul. 10-20k a day and not even seeing a farmer.
 
Great soundbite. Meaningless though. I know we have to share the planet, we don't have to share our COUNTRY with all and sundry though. We don't have enough space for a start.

What's that got to do with University? Most international students will bugger off back home once they've finished. Your point is rather meaningless and you're using the thread to express your own fears.
 
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Not enough space? Thats funny. I spent 5 days hiking through Sutherland and Wester Ross and didn't come across a soul. 10-20k a day and not even seeing a farmer.

Do they not teach critical thinking skills in university? Maybe you either have it or you don't.
 
It's good to see the OcUK Anti-Racism task force out in their numbers.


Plenty of giggles from me here, and a slight worry that I might find a keyboard come flying through my office window. Oh the horror!
 
TBH the universities need a foreign influx as they pay MUCH higher fees which keeps the university going.

I did have one useless lab partner who happened to be Chinese, who didn't speak - I ended up doing all the work with him watching me and nodding. Whoopee. I'd keep asking him whether he had any ideas, especially when I was stuck - *shakes head* - and occasionally I'd disappear to the loos for 20 minutes just to calm the frustration.

I don't think it was because he was Chinese though. Possibly he was just a complete divot that the uni took on for paying good money.

University gives back how much you put in - if you think year 1 is too easy - well go join a load of societies and go do lots of uni-subsidised activities you couldn't otherwise afford the kit/hire for (sailing, gliding, climbing etc).
 
Seems to be a fairly mixed response to this so I'll add mine.
I don't know where or what everyone is studying that doesn't think university is all it's cracked up to be because I went to a good university and studied Computer Science. I was a real computer geek before this and on day 1, moved into halls and decided I'd never play an online game whilst at university - so I cut all ties and went head first into the university lifestyle.

The more new, uncomfortable (out of my comfort zone) things I did, the more I loved it, this doesn't mean getting blind drunk every night, but just finding the right group of friends (I had preconceptions of certain people - too loud, too alcoholic, too selfish etc - that simply weren't true once I made an effort to socialise with them), societies and sports clubs to keep you on your toes - as well as finding the time to study just enough to make your grades. I could have *EASILY* (I can't stress this enough) continued as an online gamer (I ran a clan and had a massive group of online friends I effectively gave up overnight) and I would have been unhappy with university - probably moaning about similar things (people, workload and lecturers). The work would have been the same, the people around me would have been the same but it's because I chose to throw myself out of my comfort zone and mix with people who were all in the same boat (albeit they were much more socially practised than I was) that I truly believe that those 3 years were the best of my life so far.

The skills I learnt there (of many different sorts ... nudge nudge wink wink ;)) were so much more than the actual Computer Science education I received - which, whilst really challenging at times, was generally easy once I set my mind to it. I consider it a bonus that I've come out with a piece of paper saying I've got a 1st class degree from a good university - If I knew what I was going to experience, I would have still gone to university even if they said I wouldn't get a degree!

University is what you make it. Drop all your preconceptions of the people around you and just try to get along with them - it'll make your university life so much more enjoyable!

excellent post, agree completely, if your at uni, make the most of it
 
Well I've learnt one thing.......

Watch how you phrase your arguments when posting on OCUK. :p


I have no problems as stated with people of different persuasions and ethnicities, am grateful for the fact they are paying enormous fee's to help keep universities ticking over and most certainly would not dispute that they can contribute a lot.


What I was complaining about is the fact that there IS a sizeable chunk of people who do not get involved when the onus is on them. When we do a group presentation in a seminar, it's a time for us ALL to contribute knowledge to each other so we can understand the subject better. However when this just leads to 80% of the class actually contributing something (80% meaning any race etc, not just "British" :rolleyes:) it gets frustrating.

Same for a lecturer. Sure I have no problem trying to decipher what they are saying, and indeed it can eventually be regarded as a skill to understand dialects, and I have no problem with this.

However when I have a person (again dosent matter what colour or race etc) who for a 2hr lecture is basically unintelligible then again, I feel like I have a right to complain. Sure they have got PhD's up to their eyebrows, but I'm paying £3k+ in tuition fee's so that I can get knowledge imparted to me, not having to go and just read up on the lecture slides.
 
Great soundbite. Meaningless though. I know we have to share the planet, we don't have to share our COUNTRY with all and sundry though. We don't have enough space for a start.

Your ancestors moved here from somewhere, Britain has always had a varied populace, your ideas do not hold up to history, nor are they relevant now.

To say his ideas are from the dark ages are a mistake, they never existed and are a cancer of section of our populace.
 
Ah yes, integrate.

Multiculturalism is the opposite of integration, the two are mutually exclusive.

No they're not. You can have people who use another culture's thinking to improve a countries shared culture. Look how the Americans have integrated with our culture, that's case and point.
 
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