Discussion in 'Motors' started by rossk26, Feb 14, 2013.
Porsche 924 S Avon Ice Touring ST Winter Tyres Snow Test
It is certified as a winter tyre, as well. https://www.michelin.co.uk/tyres/michelin-crossclimate
and is awarded:
So what? It's an all year tyre which is not what you want on a dedicated set of winter wheels.
In the past, all tyres were all-year. There was no such thing as a "summer" or "winter" tyre.
All-seasons tyres give you many advantages, and more - there are no dedicated winter or summer tyres better than the Michelin Crossclimate. Because the Michelin Crossclimate is the best tyre and you can use it always.
A Trofeo R has more grip in the summer and dry, a TS 860 is better in the snow.
With an all Season tyre you are sacrificing ultimate performance for all year round usability, it is down to the individual if that sacrifice is worth it, but for someone who wants a winter set of wheels your selection makes little sense.
Winter tyres have been around since the 1930s.
During the Socialism before 1989, in the Eastern bloc, the tyres were all-seasons.
A Cross Climate is never the best tyre you can use, it is simply never the worst. In wintry conditions a winter tyre is better than a cross climate. In dry or warmer wet conditions a uhp summer tyre is better than a cross climate.
Cross climates are a compromise for those who are unwilling or unable to go to the hassle of having dedicated winter and summer tyre setups.
@Housey they do UHP variants too, which will suit your MX-5 nicely. I believe TS860S is the latest, not sure on sizes though.
Sound like the best tyres to have then unless you have two sets of wheels and want to change on what could be an almost daily basis.
But nobody tests tyres at the magically 7c when part worn on a Sunday with 30% of the road being damp so it’s very hard to draw comparisons.
The Crossclimate is perhaps at 80-90% of the top performing dedicated tyres. The problem is that the vast majority of people buy two sets of cheap dedicated tyres and confuse themselves that they got the job done.
Once they enter the roads, they are nothing more than ticking bombs.
If you have decided you need winter tyres and gone out to buy a second set of wheels and go along with the hassle then surely you’d put decent ones on.
It’s the people who will rush out when it snows and come back with two linglong snowpro 4s fitted to the front only that’s the worry.
Which the guy asking does...
Happy so far with the F1A3's on the Focus ST. More grip, less noise, much better steering feel, more rim protection and they're more comfortable. Not surprising though since the old fronts were Riken or some other nonsense tyres and one of the rears was equally as bad.
Was thinking about going for winter tyres for the first time.
Front and back are different sized tyres, is it ok, safe etc etc to fit the same sized tyres all around for winter driving?
I’m not a fast driver in any condition, 75 tops on motorway, stick to speed limits and don’t corner fast.
Would save me £100 or so if it’s ok to buy the same size..
I would get the right size tyre for the car, as it is designed that way.
I really like my Crossclimate+ they are wearing far better than I had anticipated as well. Already beat the continental sport contact 5 that they replaced.
Very pleased with their performance as well, ideal choice for the daily driver.
I was never convinced by all season tyres, but I was offered some Continental ones really cheap so went for them. I don't think I'd switch back now: they are not noticeably any worse than premium summers in wet braking / cornering, and are vastly better on muddy tarmac / gravel roads. Seem to be fairly durable too: I've put 10k miles on them and there's still a lot of tread left.
When the Pirellis on my RRS are worn out, I'll almost certainly switch to all seasons on that as well.
Running Pirelli Scorpion Verde all seasons on the Evoque, they are well regarded in general but Harry Metcalfe particularly likes them for the all round ability and good snow performance.
Must say i'm impressed with the grip on offer in both the wet and dry, i've pushed these thing quite hard and not run out of grip, part of this will be the adaptive suspension and torque vectoring 4wd however.
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