Up and coming English talent

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So this generation is done imo and we need to ease the new batch of young players in gently. So what people are we expecting to see break into the squad in the future? I appreciate some of these players are no were near ready yet and some may need a bit of guidance. We are seriously looking poor on strikers

Goalkeeper

Joe Hart

Defence

Shawcross
Chaill
Gibbs
Smalling (?)
Onouha
Richards
Mancienne
Naughton
Hutchinson


Midfield

Rodwell
Delph
Wilshire (star player)
Young
Lenon
Milner
Huddlestone
Rose
Cleverley
Moses


Strikers


Baxter
Struridge
Welbeck
Delfouneso
 
I think we should drop anyone over 29/30 now and start building the next generation for the next tournament. Think it would be good for the side.
 
Agree with Rapier, if your classing 24 as young then you still have the likes of Agbonlahor (FW), Jamie O'Hara (MC), Jack Rodwell (DCM), Lee Cattermole (DCM), Kyle Walker (DC), Jay Emmanuel-Thomas (DC/MC?) and Dan Gosling (MC)

So you've got some big names that are becoming household names, and some just about to break through.

Some of those are still pretty much unknowns but could turn good given the right run of games with the right clubs.
 
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Don't forget the likes of Rooney is still only 25, Glen Johsnon is 26 (I think), Aaron Lennon 23.

They will still be around for the next WC, and injury and passion depending possibly the one after.

The problem everyone seemed to forget going into this, is England don't have a team of world beaters. They have 5 or 6 world class players, but injuries and bans take these players out and you're left with a team that is essentially a bottom half of the Premiership side.

It's still very much a time of change, and passing the torch. The next two or three years will be key, with many of England's top players possibly hanging up their boots, or just in general being past their best... the current crop of "hot prospects" will need to step up.
 
Agree with Rapier, if your classing 24 as young then you still have the likes of Agbonlahor (FW), Jamie O'Hara (MC), Jack Rodwell (DCM), Lee Cattermole (DCM), Kyle Walker (GK), Jay Emmanuel-Thomas (DC/MC?) and Dan Gosling (MC)

So you've got some big names that are becoming household names, and some just about to break through.

Some of those are still pretty much unknowns but could turn good given the right run of games with the right clubs.

well i dont mean 24 is young simply saying these are the players that need to be beded in from now on.


And i just have to call you on those names :D

Walker is not a GK
Rodwell is only 19
Gosling is also only 20
 
well i dont mean 24 is young simply saying these are the players that need to be beded in from now on.


And i just have to call you on those names :D

Walker is not a GK
Rodwell is only 19
Gosling is also only 20

I meant to say DC for Walker, and was going to type Jason Steele as a potential GK :o

I know those players are under 20, Jay Emmanuel-Thomas is only 19 as well... my point was that they could break through under the right guidance :)

Sorry it's been a long day :o


edit: also hadn't noticed you had already said Rodwell in your first post.... :o I think I'll give up now!!
 
Henri Lansbury, Kieran Gibbs and Kyle Bartley are from Arsenal's youth sides and have featured in Carling Cup games. They look pretty decent but are still of course years away. However they should have excellent technical abilities; Wenger specifically vets for such players.
 
You do realise the next tournament is in 2 years? :confused:

31-32 isn't old anymore.

No, but I think they've had their time and shown time and time again that they can't do it for England. I'd rather start again now and get the youngsters some experience playing alongside each other now. Then hopefully we won't get to the stage where the second top English premiership scorer is 26 and only has 6 caps.

Other countries seem to try out their youngsters at the deep end far, far earlier on than we do.
 
England should look to replace Gerrard, Terry, Ferdinand, Lampard, obviously James for younger players now.

Not saying all of the players mentioned should immediately be scrapped, but definitely the midfield needs scrapping in my eyes.

Wright Phillips can go as well.

Adam Johnson, A.Young, Milner, Walcott, Lennon should try and become regular wide players for england.

Maybe try and push Rodwell, Wilshire into england first team over the next year or 2.

Obviously Rooney is still a focal point of attack, we just need a system and the right players around him going foward.

Why not make some bold decisions for a change, yes 2012 is not far away and most of the current starting 11 will probably be a starting 11 come 2012... but why?

Yes A.Cole, Terry, G.Johnson will probably remain in defence because they should still be good enough, but central midfield I think needs a total rethink, as does attacking midfield/forward.... only Rooney should be kept.

People will say why keep Rooney ahead of Lamp/Gerrard, they all played crap. But midfield has been a real problem in the england setup for years and as fas as I'm aware (my opinion) Gerrard and Lampard have had their chances.

Rooney has another 2 chances, euro2012, world cup 2014.
 
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I'm a great believer in the phrase "if you're good enough, you're young enough". People are obsessed with up-and-coming talent and while I agree that it is worth looking to develop new prospects, I also don't agree with a policy of casting aside players who have dominated (at least at club level) simply on the basis of when they were born.

If you look at the international teams that have been successful in previous tournaments they have pretty much universally featured players in their 30s. And this includes 'young' teams like Spain who fielded the likes of Puyol, Capdevila and Senna.

Also you have to remember that it's all well and good wanting to prepare youngsters for the next tournament, but you have to qualify for it first. Take Steve Mclaren's England as a case in point, he was a new broom who put the likes of Beckham out to pasture early on, and look where it got us.

Looking at the current England squad I'd say it's more a case of getting rid of players based on quality rather than age. And any replacements need to be doing the business on a regular basis in club football, I'd rather see an older player like Darren Bent given a chance to replace Heskey ahead of the likes of Delfouneso.

My mantra is simple: pick the best XI for every game irrespective of age/future prospects and if players aren't performing then swap them out. It means you have to throw in inexperienced players from time-to-time (a far cry from the Eriksson days where caps were thrown around like Confetti) but it also builds up cohesion between the core players.
 
Oh goody, the excuse for England not winning this tourney is age, so next cup we'll field the youngest team ever, under any manager because it won't matter. The English public/press have decided age is the key issue so the FA will pressure the English manager, be it Wenger, Fergie, Hodgeson or John Barnes, we'll get the team the English public BEG for before the cup, fail miserably and come up with a new key plan of rubbish.

Lennon, Walcott, Milner, Young and and Johnson should push to be wingers for England, well 2 of them went to the world cup and started games and weren't close to good enough, neither are "young" as in inexperienced.

Age doesn't mean ANYTHING, if you're good enough you're good enough, Lennon, Walcott, Milner AREN'T good enough, two of them are flavour of the month players despite having put in, what 4 years each in the prem and had 4 unimpressive seasons.

Lennon and Milner are supposedly good compared to previous seasons, both have incredibly poor stats and performances compared to Giggs in his hayday, or a Pires, Ronaldo, hell, even Wiltord, Reyes and a bunch of less high profile wingers. Milner scored 7, some penalties, despite playing a huge number of games, he's had a very very average season and the ONLY reason people somehow thought he was one of the best wingers this year is one thing, England, world cup, and hope without logic.


Lennon was equally unimpressive, he APPEARED useful, because he's fast, but his end product is still hopeless, he's still far too small, hopeless defensively and mentally, well, too stupid to be in a team wanting to win the world cup, don't get me started on Walcott, Milner, Lennon, SWP all look world class in comparison.

Young however, has been consistantly in the top 2-3 wingers in the league for the past 4 years, yet not even in the squad.

Age has smeg all to do with success, the quality of the squad, and having the FA/manager choose a squad they want without being pressured into fielding whoever the latest and greatest is in a tunnel vission having public.

Veron, frankly, at 36 has performed well above ANY English player at this tourney, so has Lucio, and Gilberto Silva, Senna at the Euro's, Pirlo changed the Italians the second he came on, Maldini was great into his late 30's.

Lampard might get a career ending injury, or he could be scoring even more and getting more assists and be the best player in the world in 4 years, throwing him out at this point because he MIGHT be too old in 4 years, is a joke.

What we need is a manager who will actually pick the form players when he says he will, and run with them, give them time, give new members a chance. Gabby and Young got played in ridiculous friendly teams that had never played together before. Crouch in a 10/11 normal starting side will play better than Young and Gabby with 2 normal starters and 9 players who've never played on the same pitch before, decided Young wasn't good enough on half a game, despite being in better form than 90% of the squad that went to the cup is a joke. Not least because he's and Gabby are as fast as SWP/Lennon, yet not 4 ft nothing, strong, quality delivery, gives us a quality corner/freekick taker, and he's incredibly strong defensively, getting back and covering runs.

The reason Villa are great defensively is NOT the back 4 alone, but the ENTIRE team, Young tracks back more than any other attacking player in the side, all season long every game he'll be in his own box making tackles/blocks and getting up the field for every attack.
 
The older English players have had their chance and consistently failed. Yes they may be good for their clubs but I find it strange we are willing to ditch managers left right and centre because they can not make the jump from good club managers to good international managers but then can not apply that logic to the players. However, who do you replace these players with? The simple fact is we have approx a tenth of the number of coaches that other European countries do and those coaches still are prioritising the kids that hit puberty first as they are quicker and stronger - crazy outdated system. And that is why I can not really add any more names to the list as already it has been pretty much sorted. There is not a great quantity of young talent coming through - we need every name mentioned in this thread to make the grade, not get injured, and to meet their potential and even surpass it. And that is quite a tall order!
 
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