Up and coming English talent

Jordan Henderson from Sunderland will be a player to watch, had a great season last year and will continue to improve.

and Darren Bent will score another 20 goals next season and still be passed over..glad he didnt go in the end so he is not tainted by this debacle..will be fit and raring to go
 
maustin said:
The older English players have had their chance and consistently failed. Yes they may be good for their clubs but I find it strange we are willing to ditch managers left right and centre because they can not make the jump from good club managers to good international managers but then can not apply that logic to the players.
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Thank you.
 
Everton still don't know where is best to play Rodwell so it's pretty pointless lobbing him into international football right now.
 
Shamikebab said:
I think we should drop anyone over 29/30 now and start building the next generation for the next tournament. Think it would be good for the side.
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spot on!!!

Good for the manager, good for the players and good for the country (and good for the FA as they wouldnt have to pay such huge - if any - bonuses)

Really cant see a down side

I would feel for Rio and a few others who were out injured and never get another chance at a WC or Euro competition, but otherwise it would be a great idea

(which means of course it will never happen)

One major problem is that it would have to have the collaboration of the major clubs to have these "youngsters" starting regularly and getting time on the pitch (because the +30's are still a huge investment for these same clubs)........
 
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FrankJH said:
spot on!!!

Good for the manager, good for the players and good for the country (and good for the FA as they wouldnt have to pay such huge - if any - bonuses)

Really cant see a down side

I would feel for Rio and a few others who were out injured and never get another chance at a WC or Euro competition, but otherwise it would be a great idea

(which means of course it will never happen)
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You guys dont need to drop old players.

You need to play players in their correct position.

Rooney ------- Crouch/Defoe/ Abongalahor/ Zamora ( pick 1 of these 4 not Heskey)


J Cole ----- Lampard ----- A Johnson (With Lennon, Gerrard, Walcott as backup plan / subs)

------- Defensive Midfeilder------ (Not Barry, Carrick could maybe do this job, otherwise you need to find one)

A Cole -- Terry -- Ferdinand -- Johnson

--------- Hart ----------
 
drunkenmaster said:
Lennon was equally unimpressive, he APPEARED useful, because he's fast, but his end product is still hopeless, he's still far too small, hopeless defensively and mentally, well, too stupid to be in a team wanting to win the world cup, don't get me started on Walcott, Milner, Lennon, SWP all look world class in comparison.
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Lennon appeared useful last season because he is useful. The stats back this statement up.

He didn't have a good World Cup but did have an exceptional season, despite his injury. He is an intelligent player (see his pass for Heskey in the USA game) and he's surprising good at defending (especially at intercepting counter-attacks). I say this as a Spurs season ticket holder who only 12 months ago wondered if he'd ever make it as a top player. He's come on leaps and bounds under 'Arry.
 
I think Lennon gets a bit of a raw deal, the ball never goes out to him quick enough it usually goes square from Barry -> Lampard -> Gerrard -> Lennon when it should just go from Barry -> Lennon.

Also every time Lennon gets the ball, Johnson just charges forward on the overlap regardless if Lennon is 1v1 as well.

His final ball for the first half of last season was much improved compared to previous seasons as well.
 
stoke1863 said:
Article is crap.Its got phill jones and cahill in there but no Shawcross.

Yes i am a shawcross fanboy:D I got Shawcross 17 on my england shirt when he got called up. Got a bit excited lol
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And I'm a Phil Jones fanboy :p. If he continues to develop as he did last season there is no reason he can't be pushing for a starting place in 2 or 3 seasons time. With a lot of the youth players I'd rather they played their way with the U21 squad and then be called up to the seniors.

Stuart Pearce had a fantastic team a few seasons ago that was pushing for a final spot in a major tournament. Where have they all gone?
 
Will keane at man utd looks a good prospect as well as harry kane at spurs.

My youthfull England team would be.

GK - hart / foster (if he does well at his new club ofc)

RB - Johnson / richards

CB - Shawcross and cahill

Lb cole/ baines

In midfeild cattermold, millner, rodwell, huddlestone

RW- Lennon / wallcot

LW-young / a johnson

Striker Rooney / defoe / bent /Cole / zamora

Plus theres some talents i have missed out with regualr football can break into that team. Plus you still got the bigger name older players to pick from but i dont see how the players i have picked could do any worse then lampard and co did at this world cup.
 
KNiVES said:
They don't sound very English to me. I couldn't find a way to say this without sounding racist but there you go :p
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London's very diverse, so the kids we bring through aren't often called John Smith. I remember having to explain years ago that a young Paolo Vernezza was in fact English.
 


capello reckons hes too slow though :/ apparently doesnt matter that he can cross , score goals , use both feet and fit in perfectly wherever he goes/plays

all that pace out wide certainly helped us in the world cup though eh... helped us run straight into people or off the pitch
 
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Tunney said:
Lennon appeared useful last season because he is useful. The stats back this statement up.

He didn't have a good World Cup but did have an exceptional season, despite his injury. He is an intelligent player (see his pass for Heskey in the USA game) and he's surprising good at defending (especially at intercepting counter-attacks). I say this as a Spurs season ticket holder who only 12 months ago wondered if he'd ever make it as a top player. He's come on leaps and bounds under 'Arry.
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Those stats show Lennons as the best of the worst wingers, nothing more or less, so far I don't rate Johnson.

Young got more goals and assists, admitedly in more minutes, so did Milner.

The difference here is Lennon had Defoe, Pav, Crouch and the team scored 15 more goals, Villa couldn't score last year, Heskey was on the pitch, that would effect anyones stats, it was also Youngs worst year, in his best, also known as the pre Heskey years, he got 8 goals and 17 assists. Since then Carew has been injured a lot and Heskey got a lot of games.

Lennon also got a goal and 3 assists against Wigan, who got things mixed up and sent their girls basketball team to play Spurs that day, got an assist against City(again Sylvinho IIRC), and Everton(while they were still crap, IE first half of the season) and nothing else against a top half team. The majority of the rest of his assists and goals came against Hull, Burnley and West Ham....... Same way Malouda's stats look good, but he only scored in 3 games that were "close" his other 9 goals came in 4-5 games that Chelsea won by a huge margin, when Chelsea ripped the other teams apart.

Lennon isn't inteligent, his delivery isn't good(watch the City game, its embarassing, even with an assist, he literally could walk past Sylvinho, who wasn't even in the running as fit, and he still messed up almost every delivery, it was laughably bad) if he can put in 2 great years on the trot, but one half decent year, where the majority of his success came against teams in the bottom 6 that everyone in the league pounded on heavily this season, in the highest scoring and least defensive season in AGES where everyone scored more, isn't particularly impressive.
 
I'm a great believer in the phrase "if you're good enough, you're young enough".
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what happened to the phrase, 'if your good enough, age doesnt matter?'

whats all this ageist building for the future talk?

why should we drop gerrard etc? you dont drop your best players, you just find a good position from them. to remove the experience that these players should offer to younger players would be a huge mistake imo.

i dont think its fair to judge individuals on the world cup just gone. we got done by a clearly superior team in terms of Germany, as did argentina. should argentina just sack off all of their players, like messi because they were infact too young and did not score a goal, or rebuild or something?

of course not. argentina had the same problem that england did. individuals with no collective strategy.
 
Nathan Chalobah (15 and playing against kids 2 years his senior)
Connor Wickham (Prolific scorer at youth level, 9 goals in 13 cap for England u17)
Jose Baxter
 
Suprised nobodys mentioned Scott Dann from Birmingham yet. Hes gone from league 2 to premiership regular in 3 seasons. As part of Birminghams impressive defence last season i'd rate him above Mancienne now and within a couple of seasons Shawcross as well.
 
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