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Witcher low vram usage is the exception not the norm and I can give plenty of counter-examples where the opposite is true, e.g. GTA V, Dying Light, Project Cars (DS2X mode), Black Ops 3 etc.

Except even in these high VRAM games the difference in performance between the two cards is negligible even at higher resolutions...

I'm not saying it doesn't matter, I'm just saying that the idea of higher resolutions requiring massive amounts of VRAM or else performance will be reduced is simply not supproted by benchmark data.
 
Yeah, no.

The R9 390 and the GTX 970 are very similar in performance, either can expect a small fps gain on the other in different games, it is pretty negligible.

http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/graphics/86927-sapphire-r9-390-nitro/?page=9

This shows FPS to be pretty similar in most cases. Shadow of Mordor is better with the R9 390, but GTAV, Tomb Raider, The Witcher 3 and Total War: Rome II show higher FPS for the GTX 970.
Similar performance so may as well have the extra vram, supposed better DX12 performance and (if it's a concern in future) cheaper upgrade path with monitors such as better pricing on freesynch monitors. Example being you can get 4k freesynch for £330. This is good if looking to SLI down the line, I wouldn't want to SLI a 970 as the vram is going to be a potential hit and miss scenario. So for SLI, vram, future upgrades and what we know at the moment of DX12 it's heading in AMD's favour. If you're looking just to get a Nvidia card just because then yeah that is option too. Not all those things might apply but that'll be for the op to decide.

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/iiya...-gaming-widescreen-led-monitor-mo-127-iy.html

IMO 390 is just an overall better package looking upgrade wise but if the op already has a heavy bias to Nvidia due to it's software then that should be something he'd know about in the first place and render the topic moot.
 
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My previous points on the 390's extra VRAM stand for themselves...
Which is why I mentioned SLI for potential future performance and although you say it's negligible it's not going to be if you choose to mod games which can add more vram too :cool: picking and choosing scenario's where it works is cool but there is going to be potential scenarios (which as I said is up to the OP to decide if they apply) where the 390 is just better.

Why take less for no reason? There's nothing to gain in being a Nvidia shill, he's better off just going for the overall best package and if he chooses he's not going to conisder going SLI then crossfire then that's his choice but it's something to consider otherwise. 970 is quite a poor card vram wise if you're considering SLI.
 
Which is why I mentioned SLI for potential future performance and although you say it's negligible it's not going to be if you choose to mod games which can add more vram too :cool: picking and choosing scenario's where it works is cool but there is going to be potential scenarios (which as I said is up to the OP to decide if they apply) where the 390 is just better.

Why take less for no reason? There's nothing to gain in being a Nvidia shill, he's better off just going for the overall best package and if he chooses he's not going to conisder going SLI then crossfire then that's his choice but it's something to consider otherwise. 970 is quite a poor card vram wise if you're considering SLI.

GTAV in 4K uses 6gb of VRAM and yet there is no performance difference, mods or not that is more than what the 970 has and less than what the 390 has and yet the performance change is negligible. Please provide an example of one of these scenarios where the 390 is better.

What do SLI and Crossfire have to do with VRAM? I don't see what you are getting at with that point.

Also I can't find any benchmarks on 390 crossfire, therefore I'm not sure how to recommend it based on performance...
 
GTAV in 4K uses 6gb of VRAM and yet there is no performance difference, mods or not that is more than what the 970 has and less than what the 390 has and yet the performance change is negligible. Please provide an example of one of these scenarios where the 390 is better.

What do SLI and Crossfire have to do with VRAM? I don't see what you are getting at with that point.

Also I can't find any benchmarks on 390 crossfire, therefore I'm not sure how to recommend it based on performance...

If there is no performance difference for not having enough vram then why is it always an argument in favour of the 980ti whenever it comes up that it has 6gb? You're either going to hit the vram limit and have performance dips or vram is never a consideration and it's been a massive troll on both sides in arguments against the fury etc.

You don't see what SLI and crossfire have to do with vram?.... more performance = being able to push settings up and more future proofing in later games. It won't necessarily make you use more vram but later games that come out or with mods you can do more with it and push it further and there are some games others argue the extra vram and performance on titans helps at 4k so if people are gobbing about titans being worth it over a 980ti then why would they ever need more than 6gb? I've seen it in the titan owners thread on these forums so unless we've just got a bunch of nutters on the forums that like to just pull it out in favour of wasting money on titans and slamming amd cards then it seems like we've got some strange double standards for when vram is important and when it's none existent issue. Current games admittedly rarely use more than 4gb vram and I'm open about that but it's still better to have 8gb than 4gb / 3.5gb regardless as it could help even if in just one or two games but not the vast majority.

why not just try and google a few things?
http://www.pcgamer.com/why-nvidias-gtx-970-slows-down-using-more-than-35gb-vram/
seems there's a lot of people being defensive about this situation but when it comes to complaining about fury having less vram it's all good for you guys I bet.
 
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If there is no performance difference for not having enough vram then why is it always an argument in favour of the 980ti whenever it comes up that it has 6gb? You're either going to hit the vram limit and have performance dips or vram is never a consideration and it's been a massive troll on both sides in arguments against the fury etc.

You don't see what SLI and crossfire have to do with vram?.... more performance = push settings up and more future proofing in later games. Current games admittedly rarely use more than 4gb vram and I'm open about that but it's still better to have 8gb than 4gb / 3.5gb regardless as it could help even if in just one or two games but not the vast majority.

why not just try and google a few things?
http://www.pcgamer.com/why-nvidias-gtx-970-slows-down-using-more-than-35gb-vram/

My argument isn't about the 980ti or the Fury...

My point is that even in situations where more than 4gb of VRAM is used but less than 8gb the 390 doesn't outperform the 970 so how can more VRAM be a selling point for the 390 over the 970?

I'm well aware of the 3.5gb issue of the 970, I'm talking about FPS figures between the 970 and the 390. Are there any tests to support the 390 against the 970 in high VRAM situations? That is all I want to see.
 
My argument isn't about the 980ti or the Fury...

My point is that even in situations where more than 4gb of VRAM is used but less than 8gb the 390 doesn't outperform the 970 so how can more VRAM be a selling point for the 390 over the 970?

I'm well aware of the 3.5gb issue of the 970, I'm talking about FPS figures between the 970 and the 390. Are there any tests to support the 390 against the 970 in high VRAM situations? That is all I want to see.
doesn't have to be, it's a comparison I've made to highlight how it's an issue which others clearly agree can be a reason to knock a card. If it applies in one scenario and not another then you need a valid reason, my reasoning for recommending more vram is that it can be more future proof and if he does crossfire then in future games which use more vram then he'd have the performance and vram needed by simply getting another 390. Not so with 970 and I made it clear it's up to OP to decide if SLI and XF is his jam or not so will matter to him or not.

Still there's little reason to short change yourself, even if it just come to one game or two within the next year or two that uses a bit more vram then I'd rather sit comfy than get juddery experiences. Performance varies game to game, you asked for evidence of vram effecting performance and I gave it. If the 390 performs near enough identical to the 970 anyway then I'd rather have the vram for future cases when we can already see with the link you requested from me that vram can be a problem. It might not make the 390 win all scenarios but it does hint the 970 might not last as long and even if it matches it now we all know patches and updates can change that now and again.

I don't have 390 comparisons to 970 on hand specifically focusing on vram above 4gb right now myself. Never said I did though, it's just a recommendation based on common sense that if you hit the limit it can cause performance dips (as seen in the link I gave). If you want to find evidence that the 970 doesn't suffer at those vram limits then feel free to provide your own evidence as well. I've at least evidenced vram causing performance dips but I'm not really the kind of person who spends all day on forums trolling for reviews and comparisons but the point I've made is valid as evidenced by the previous link, it's now your choice to prove it's not applicable to these cards or not. Not trying to be rude there so apologies if it comes off that way but I'm not going to spend too much time arguing what seems like an obvious point to me. If 970 and 390 perform near identical before vram limit, we can see 970 suffers after hitting vram limit with link provided then that to me suggests after the vram limit then that's fair enough. Prove it wrong if you want but I'm going to be playing games at the moment, it's my day off and cleaning tomorrow :)
 
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I don't have 390 comparisons to 970 on hand specifically focusing on vram above 4gb right now myself. Never said I did though, it's just a recommendation based on common sense that if you hit the limit it can cause performance dips (as seen in the link I gave). If you want to find evidence that the 970 doesn't suffer at those vram limits then feel free to provide your own evidence as well. I've at least evidenced vram causing performance dips but I'm not really the kind of person who spends all day on forums trolling for reviews and comparisons but the point I've made is valid as evidenced by the previous link, it's now your choice to prove it's not applicable to these cards or not. Not trying to be rude there so apologies if it comes off that way but I'm not going to spend too much time arguing what seems like an obvious point to me. If 970 and 390 perform near identical before vram limit, we can see 970 suffers after hitting vram limit with link provided then that to me suggests after the vram limit then that's fair enough. Prove it wrong if you want but I'm going to be playing games at the moment, it's my day off and cleaning tomorrow :)

How about the benchmarks previously linked? The higher resolutions show no difference even though some of those games use very high amounts of VRAM.

As for reasons for the 970, how about more stable software, features like shadow play and remote play which come in very handy and much lower power consumption (literally half) which is useful if you are worried about your PSU limit.
 
How about the benchmarks previously linked? The higher resolutions show no difference even though some of those games use very high amounts of VRAM.

As for reasons for the 970, how about more stable software, features like shadow play and remote play which come in very handy and much lower power consumption (literally half) which is useful if you are worried about your PSU limit.
Usually cases of software requirements should already be noted by the OP anyway, if he has a massive preference for Nvidia software then I'm sure he's aware of it by now. Power can be a point and I'll agree on that as a fair point too, for me though I'd be more inclined to just get the best card. We can agree to disagree if you wish but which link was you referring to with high vram usage?
 
Except even in these high VRAM games the difference in performance between the two cards is negligible even at higher resolutions...

I'm not saying it doesn't matter, I'm just saying that the idea of higher resolutions requiring massive amounts of VRAM or else performance will be reduced is simply not supproted by benchmark data.

If you don't have enough VRAM you simply can't run it, so how can there be a performance difference? It simply isn't apples to apples anymore. E.g. Mordor, you can't run high res texture pack with 970 but you can with the 390. And in general heavily modded games where you need more vram than 4.

So there are clear use cases where the 970 simply won't work, not simply 'work just as well'. There is no such scenario for a 390. Hence why it should score higher in any comparison.
 
Usually cases of software requirements should already be noted by the OP anyway, if he has a massive preference for Nvidia software then I'm sure he's aware of it by now. Power can be a point and I'll agree on that as a fair point too, for me though I'd be more inclined to just get the best card. We can agree to disagree if you wish but which link was you referring to with high vram usage?

The benchmarks from hexus and the video by Jayztwocents. They don't state VRAM, but I found that GTAV uses about 4.3gb of VRAM.

Here is a Dying Light and GTAV test, Dying Light uses around 4.4gb at 1080p.

http://www.techspot.com/review/1019-radeon-r9-390x-390-380/page4.html
 
its kinda a bit of an irrelevant argument, the 390 has no where near enough grunt to use it and its alright bleating on about "future proofing" and if's and whens but by the time DX12 is out and we all using 8gb vram the 390 and 970 will be old tech and most of us will have moved on.
 
its kinda a bit of an irrelevant argument, the 390 has no where near enough grunt to use it and its alright bleating on about "future proofing" and if's and whens but by the time DX12 is out and we all using 8gb vram the 390 and 970 will be old tech and most of us will have moved on.

Good point, having the VRAM to run something is only a small part of actually running it. Both of these cards need SLI or XF to hit decent frames on higher resolutions, so I hardly call either of them future proof...
 
970 vram can be breached already@1080p while supplying the grunt now, I know I've got one it's not enough now in some titles never mind the future while having more than enough grunt to push higher IQ.

Grunt argument always falls on it's face at a later date when the card with more vram is still valid and the one with less gets put on the mm/fleabay or the bin.:p

Got to be a moron saying vram doesn't matter, 980Ti user was complaining the other day he didn't have enough vram for his highly modded FO4.


Tldr, vram only doesn't matter to the card with double the capacity.
 
Then why doesn't the 390 outperform the 970 when running a game that uses more than 4Gb of VRAM?

When you hit the VRAM limit the game becomes a slideshow. If you truly require more than 4Gb for a game on a 970, you would tank while the 390 would continue running.
 
It does though Frank; specially if you look at later drivers. You have users telling you happens......

Lets not turn this into a ****ing match; guy came in and asked best card to upgrade from 6950; he never said he prefered Nvidia software......

You have two similar performing cards.......one looks like it will perform better in DX 12 titles - we also know through a few set of cards; one side tends to keep their support for their cards; much better.......*amd; specially after way Nvidia treated 700 series*

AMD side is cheaper.......390 and 970 are a wash at 1080p.......once you crank up rez 390 pulls ahead. He was thinking of upgrading his monitor also....again AMD side would allow him to upgrade cheaper. Again what's the big deal.

Some going oh Nvidia drivers are better; again that's old wise tell that's left over ATI times. I've had issues with both Nvidia and AMD drivers - and had a fun time with a few friend systems and win 10 with Nvidia; where I've had no issues with AMD......its a roll of the dice.

But if we lay the facts out - 390 cheaper; same performance at 1080p and will most likely age better *as the op still on 6950 he keeps his cards for awhile* I don't believe in tossing money away.....so we'll have to agree to disagree
 
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