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Upgraded to a FX-8302E and I'm BSODing.

MarcoPolo1667 said:
Yeah I hear you. I might start saving for a whole new rig soon, hopefully now I know a little more about what I should be looking to get I shouldn't make stupid mistakes again. I'll leave this current rig as it is for now and hopefully I'll land a job soon so I can work towards a beast.
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Fair enough. At least you have a usable system to use in the meantime. Goodluck with your jobsearch buddy :)
 
Davedree said:
Like I said the fx4350 would end up providing greater performance than the fx8.
In your situation i'd sell your current setup, keep the 8320e and buy either a
78lmt usb3 for £40,or m5a97 evo r2.0 £65,Or sell it all and put your money towards an intel.
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If I switched back would the issue of the BSOD go away? It only started when I put in the fx8.


And thanks to everyone for the help and replies. You've been great!
 
Dave2150 said:
As I've mentioned many times in previous threads - I wouldn't recommend buying a brand new AM3+ motherboard at this point in time. Your buying a motherboard with a chipset from 2011 - which lacks many new features and has no upgrade paths (no new CPU's will ever be released for the motherboard). It also performs horribly compared to the Intel alternatives, though the Intel's are a bit more expensive (you get what you pay for).

Do you have the budget for a I5 with a Z97 motherboard? It would offer you a much better system for gaming, all the new motherboard technologies, a full upgrade path (Broadwell being released later this year, will be compatible with Z97),will consume less electricity and will run cooler (awesome for the Summer months).

You mentioned you bought the new CPU recently - you could return it for a full refund and put the money towards an I5 setup, if it's within your budget of course. It's a much more futureproof setup, since you can simply upgrade in a few years to a I7 Broadwell CPU, if needed.
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How many times are you going to do this? Its pretty obvious hes on a tight budget (If I'm wrong then I apologise, Intel would be the option for performance), yet here you are again telling someone to spend £250+ because the tech is outdated blah blah. The performs horridly in comparison to the i5 comment is not completely true now is it. If he could afford it, we would recommend it, but he already has a AMD CPU and £75 would get him a pretty good mb for it. He also has admitted to being quite new to all this. Do you not think a leap to intel is not a little daunting especially considering he would have to re-install windows, of which he doesnt have a hard copy of (mentioned earlier have you even bothered following the thread?). Are you going to talk him through the process of re-installing and new intel configuration which he has even less experience of? If you are, hat off to you.

Anyway, sorry for the rant, I'm just tired of the same old from Dave without him giving a thought as to why AMD is a valid option for budget orientated buyers. If you are not one of these, then yes Dave is right, you will get a more consistent performance boost going I5.

As for new motherboard, it would certainly be better than your current one, but as said before you dont want to be buying anything only to be faced with the same issues. However I can make these recommendations for a cheapish mb that can easily handle your FX.

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-471-GI&groupid=701&catid=1903&subcat=2046

or

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-502-AS&groupid=701&catid=1903&subcat=2046

Both good boards. Limitation of the 970s chipset (compared to the higher prices 990s) is just the PCIE config that should only affect you if you go xfire/sli (dual card one will be x16 and ther other x4). If you only plan to stay with 1 card, its nothing to worry about.

However before going ahead with spending, try and corner Davedree a bit more, he's pretty good with getting these chip running on lower boards. (Hope you don't mind me saying so Davedree)

I don't have much else to offer at this point.

Did you try the bump up in voltage? Results?
 
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I'd say it is the PSU, bad make that I have never heard of and can't even find any reviews for it. I did find it on a competitors site with a google and it is EOL and just the pictures of it looked nasty.
 
Here's an Asus m5a78l-m usb3 which is a 4+1 phase unheatsinked board struggling with an fx 6300 at stock. We couldn't solve the throttling even with undervolting.
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18639472


Yours is a similar board but with a lesser spec 3+1 phase, it's just not going to work out even as an e edition. If the cpu isn't responding to voltage at base clock then save yourself the stress.
Get yourself a £40 gigabyte 78lmt and I swear you won't be disappointed until you save up enough for an intel or future amd.
 
Scurburg said:
How many times are you going to do this? Its pretty obvious hes on a tight budget (If I'm wrong then I apologise, Intel would be the option for performance), yet here you are again telling someone to spend £250+ because the tech is outdated blah blah. The performs horridly in comparison to the i5 comment is not completely true now is it. If he could afford it, we would recommend it, but he already has a AMD CPU and £75 would get him a pretty good mb for it. He also has admitting to being quite new to all this. Do you not think a leap to intel is not a little daunting especially considering he would have to re-install windows, of which he doesnt have a hard copy of, mentioned earlier (have you even bothered following the thread?). Are you going to talk him through the process of re-installing and new intel configuration which he has even less experience of? If you are, hat off to you.

Anyway, sorry for the rant, I'm just tired of the same old from Dave without him giving a thought as to why AMD is a valid option for budget orientated buyers. If you are not one of these, then yes Dave is right, you will get a more consistent performance boost going I5.

As for new motherboard, it would certainly be better than your current one, but as said before, you dont want to be buying anything, only to be faced with the same issues. However I can make these recommendations for a cheapish mb that can easily handle your FX.

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-471-GI&groupid=701&catid=1903&subcat=2046

or

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-502-AS&groupid=701&catid=1903&subcat=2046

Both good boards. Limitation of the 970s chipset (compared to the higher prices 990s) is just the PCIE config that should only affect you if you go xfire/sli (dual card one will be x16 and ther other x4). If you only plan to stay with 1 card, its nothing to worry about.

However before going ahead with spending, try and corner Davedree a bit more, he's pretty good with getting these chip running on lower boards.

I don't have much else to offer at this point.

Did you try the bump up in voltage? Results?
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We're all welcome to our own opinion :) Anytime I see someone considering what I view as waste of money, or bad purchase, I'll advise them accordingly. Your also welcome to advise them however you see fit. It's upto the individual to make their own decision, after hearing different opinions on the matter.

When on a low budget, I believe it to be a mistake to buy a product that's literally end of life, has no upgrade options, lacks PCI-E V3, M.2, SATA Express, has poor performance in games, runs hotter and consumes more electricity than the alternative.

An extra £110 buys you a far better product which will last you many more years and most importantly, has an upgrade path!
 
Dave2150 said:
We're all welcome to our own opinion :) Anytime I see someone considering what I view as waste of money, or bad purchase, I'll advise them accordingly. Your also welcome to advise them however you see fit. It's upto the individual to make their own decision, after hearing different opinions on the matter.

When on a low budget, I believe it to be a mistake to buy a product that's literally end of life, has no upgrade options, lacks PCI-E V3, M.2, SATA Express, has poor performance in games, runs hotter and consumes more electricity than the alternative.

An extra £110 buys you a far better product which will last you many more years and most importantly, has an upgrade path!
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I was being a bit harsh, so I apologise for that as of course you are entitled to you opinion. I get where you are coming from regarding the mb tech though and EOL, but some of the benefits you mention dont seem to be on the lower boards (m.2 mb cost more unless I'm mistaken). I also question how long lived the Z97 will be. Is there only 1 more generation for it? You do have a point, but your blanket statements are a little misleading like the "horrid performance", you must to admit thats a little over exaggerated and harsh.
 
Davedree said:
Here's an Asus m5a78l-m usb3 which is a 4+1 phase unheatsinked board struggling with an fx 6300 at stock. We couldn't solve the throttling even with undervolting.
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18639472


Yours is a similar board but with a lesser spec 3+1 phase, it's just not going to work out even as an e edition. If the cpu isn't responding to voltage at base clock then save yourself the stress.
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Yeah I suspected it might be motherboard, I was half expecting that the notch up in CPU voltage would make things even less stable so I could pinpoint it.

Personally, I'm on Dave2150's side and would recommend DSR'ing the FX8320E and moving to an Intel i5 rather than investing further in your current system, it's not worth getting involved with AMD FX8 unless you already have a quality motherboard and cooling.
 
Scurburg said:
I was being a bit harsh, so I apologise for that as of course you are entitled to you opinion. I get where you are coming from regarding the mb tech though and EOL, but some of the benefits you mention dont seem to be on the lower boards (m.2 mb cost more unless I'm mistaken). I also question how long lived the Z97 will be. Is there only 1 more generation for it? You do have a point, but your blanket statements are a little misleading like the "horrid performance", you must to admit thats a little over exaggerated and harsh.
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M.2 is on the £70 boards also - Asus Z97-P for example. I'm sure one of the lower tier motherboard manufacturers have cheaper ones, as Asus tend to be the premium option.

When I said 'horrible' performance it was exaggerating a little, though the performance in games can be pretty bad, especially in CPU bound titles, of which there are still many.

Total War:Attila, for example, that released a few days ago, the I5 4690k has pretty much double the FPS of the FX8350.

Z97 is set to have one new generation of CPU only - Broadwell. Though as I said, one can choose to get a more affordable I5 Haswell now - then in a few years, upgrade to the fastest I7 Broadwell, when they are available much cheaper.
 
"3+1 phase" ouch, that is bad. Didn't even realise these existed. They claim to support FX as well? :confused: :eek:

I will also have to partially agree considering the facts, either get the £40 board Davedree suggested if you are prepared to tinker, or save up for an intel.

To the intel experts
If saving for intel, would it not be worth stretching the extra for x99 (i7 only?) and ddr4?
 
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Ez cool PSU - ditch it immediately. You are lucky the system has not gone kaput already!
Its also interesting that a 125w tdp fx4350 was fine and not the 95w tdp fx8320.
 
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Scurburg said:
How many times are you going to do this? Its pretty obvious hes on a tight budget (If I'm wrong then I apologise, Intel would be the option for performance), yet here you are again telling someone to spend £250+ because the tech is outdated blah blah. The performs horridly in comparison to the i5 comment is not completely true now is it. If he could afford it, we would recommend it, but he already has a AMD CPU and £75 would get him a pretty good mb for it. He also has admitted to being quite new to all this. Do you not think a leap to intel is not a little daunting especially considering he would have to re-install windows, of which he doesnt have a hard copy of (mentioned earlier have you even bothered following the thread?). Are you going to talk him through the process of re-installing and new intel configuration which he has even less experience of? If you are, hat off to you.
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:)

Its not bad advice but that's just Dave2150..

As he has already bought an 8320e I would sell the old CPU+motherboard and put the £75 + whatever you get from selling to get a decent AM3+ board and cooler.

Apart from banging on it is on a 2011 chipset it still performs well. I like anyone else would buy intel if price was not a problem, however on a cheap budget it is not always best to drum the blue beat. :cool:

-Ed - Oh and I would say at present even with the anti-mantle boys with DX12 coming its way more important to have a beefy GPU rather than the holy grail 'i5' and a weedy 270/960 for example!
 
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Naked 3+1 power phase using crappy old inefficient and hot running D-PAK mosfets... I'm 99% certain that this could be your problem. Do you have a temperature gun handy? It would be interesting to see how hot those mosfets get! D-PAK mosfets are big enough that you could possibly try putting mini adhesive heatsinks on them and maybe get a bit of airflow across them too as it could really help :).

Google "Enzotech Passive Mosfet Cooler MOS-C1 - 10 Pack" ;)
 
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Trouble is though thont, he would need a new psu really as well, which blows the budget advantage.

Actually I would recommend buying a new PSU anyway, even if going back to the old quadcore. You can alway transfer it to a new build when needed. Just make sure you get a quality brand like ones suggested earlier in the thread.
 
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Precisely. I mean if people have not built their own machine, chances are you have a pre-built with a poor PSU to reduce costs for the builder. Sadly this is something people do not factor into their budgets prioritising it.

Any overclocking will require a sound PSU hopefully from a reputable manufacturer (seasonic/superflower).

If you look at it this way, regardless of whether you save and go intel, or use what you have and stay AMD you should have a quality PSU backing up your components.

Then factor in your GPU as again these are not cheap, but any 'gaming' rig cant have entry level graphics when you have splashed out on a decent CPU!

So no matter what angle you come from if anything he will have even more expense where that 'extra £110' is now a bigger gulf from where you began.

Start with that £75 you have. Sell the PSU, mobo and old CPU (sadly you wont get much) however this is a start for the new rig. Decide on how much you have to spend and then do you want to have no PC whilst you package and post your sold components waiting for the money to order your new parts.
 
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You definatly need a new mobo,the low end asus am3/3+ boards have horrible power phase and vrms'.Not suitablie for 8 core cpu at all.
 
While it may not be the cause of the current problem that psu is garbage and should be replaced. A 650w psu that can be had for £26 is going to be extremely poor quality. There are plenty of tales of EZ-Cool psu's blowing up and taking other components with them. The psu is not the place to skimp!!
 
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