Upgrading from a 4770k system

Scotspaul · 29 Jul 2023 at 08:35

So i've had a home built system for about 10 years now centred on the 4770k and I feel it's time for an upgrade
It's water-cooled in a corsair 750D case. Reservoir & pump combo is a front bay mounted XSPC unit D2 XSPC X20 750 with 1x 140mm, 1x 280mm & 1x 420mm radiators.
I have a Dell S2719DGF monitor - 27" 1440p 144 Hz that I'll be using and don't need a keyboard mouse or Windows and I was thinking of keep the watercooling & the case too.

I'd like a recommendation of a MB, CPU + Waterbock, RAM & Storage (I have plenty old drives, both HDD & SSD, but I am sure a new unit would be better than reusing on old drive for the OS)

Also recommendations for a 'starter' air cooled GPU to keep me going till I upgrade the GPU to one with a waterblock in a few months time.

I've been away from the PC building scene for years and have no clue on what's what..

I play mostly Assetto Corsa with a bit of Battlefield & other FPS now and again.

Total budget for now is 100-1200 for the above,

Thanks in advance,

gjbf1 · 29 Jul 2023 at 10:07

How much storage do you need and do you need a PSU as well?

gjbf1 · 29 Jul 2023 at 10:14

My basket at OcUK:

1 x MSI MAG B650 Tomahawk WIFI (Socket AM5) DDR5 ATX Motherboard (SKU: MB-375-MS) = £239.99
1 x Asrock RX Radeon 6700 XT Challenger D 12GB GDDR6 PCI-Express Graphics Card (SKU: GX-00X-AK) = £308.99
1 x TeamGroup Vulcan 32GB (2X16GB) DDR5 PC5-44800C36 5600MHz Dual Channel Kit - Black (FLBD532G5600HC36BDC01) (SKU: MY-0BB-TG) = £99.94
1 x EK Water Blocks EK-Quantum Velocity² D-RGB CPU Water Block For AMD AM5 - Nickel + Acetal (SKU: WC-ACN-EK) = £110.00
1 x WD Black SN850X 2TB SSD M.2 2280 NVME PCI-E Gen4 Solid State Drive (WDS200T (SKU: HD-591-WD) = £129.94
1 x AMD Ryzen 7 7700 Eight Core 5.30GHz (Socket AM5) Processor - Retail (SKU: CP-3DV-AM) = £308.99
1 x AMD - Starfield Ryzen Game Bundle (SKU: DIG-AMD-00523) = £0.00

Total: £1,205.84 (includes delivery: £7.99)

Something like this probably.

Wing-Man · 29 Jul 2023 at 11:29

5800x3d, with a better gpu??

gjbf1 · 29 Jul 2023 at 11:41

Wing-Man said:
5800x3d, with a better gpu??

The 7700 is about comparible and on a newer socket. He's changing the GPU later, this is probably the best for the current budget.

Wing-Man · 29 Jul 2023 at 11:59

gjbf1 said:
The 7700 is about comparible and on a newer socket. He's changing the GPU later, this is probably the best for the current budget.

just with him saying the budget was 1200 all in.
the 5800x3d is £100 cheaper, a good B550 is £60 cheaper and Ram is cheper he could put £250 more into the GPU and thats a 6800xt

upgrading from a 4770k he not the type of guy that upgrades ever 12 months so the socket i dont think would matter

Tetras · 29 Jul 2023 at 12:25

Bit over budget Intel/NVIDIA option:

My basket at OcUK:

1 x Intel Core i5-13600KF (Raptor Lake) Socket LGA1700 Processor - Retail (SKU: CP-6B8-IN) = £269.98
1 x Gigabyte B760 DS3H DDR4 (LGA 1700) DDR4 ATX Motherboard (SKU: MB-5BX-GI) = £144.98
1 x Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB (2x16GB) DDR4 PC4-25600C18 3600MHz Dual Channel Kit (CMK32GX4M2D3600C18) (SKU: MY-4D1-CS) = £80.00
1 x Zotac GeForce RTX 4070 Twin Edge OC 12GB GDDR6X PCI-Express Graphics Card (SKU: GX-13Q-ZT) = £578.99
1 x WD Blue SN570 1TB SSD NVME M.2 2280 PCIe Gen3 Solid State Drive (WDS100T3B0C) (SKU: HD-589-WD) = £44.00
1 x EK Water Blocks EK-Quantum Velocity² D-RGB CPU Water Block For Intel 1700 - Nickel + Plexi (SKU: WC-A7B-EK) = £119.98

Total: £1,245.92 (includes delivery: £7.99)

I know nothing about waterblocks.

gjbf1 · 29 Jul 2023 at 12:25

Wing-Man said:
just with him saying the budget was 1200 all in.
the 5800x3d is £100 cheaper, a good B550 is £60 cheaper and Ram is cheper he could put £250 more into the GPU and thats a 6800xt

upgrading from a 4770k he not the type of guy that upgrades ever 12 months so the socket i dont think would matter

Fair points. I put less priority on the GPU as he said he was going to replace it. Your suggestion makes good sense for a full build now.

pastymuncher · 29 Jul 2023 at 13:26

What water block do you currently have because there is a good chance there is a upgrade kit for it to fit the newer sockets?

Scotspaul · 29 Jul 2023 at 16:20

pastymuncher said:
What water block do you currently have because there is a good chance there is a upgrade kit for it to fit the newer sockets?

Its an XSPC Raystorm water block

Scotspaul · 29 Jul 2023 at 16:26

For a little more context on me upgrading, I started with the 4770k on air with a R9 290X. I eventually did a ghetto-watercooling setup on the GPU using a CPU AIO with a custom bracket and a set of heatsinks.
After that I did 3x R9 290's under a full water loop then eventually replaced them with 2x 1080 Ti's again under water.
They too eventually got sold and replaced with a 5700xt, again under water.
All the GPU's were sold for pretty much purchase price due to the various mining runs there have been over the last 10+ years.

I guess the point is that I'd rather go max on the CPU now as it will likely stay put for a while..

Scotspaul · 29 Jul 2023 at 16:27

gjbf1 said:
How much storage do you need and do you need a PSU as well?

Sorry I should have mentioned I have a 1200W Superflower PSU I intend to reuse.
Storage - I should be fine with 2TB

gjbf1 · 29 Jul 2023 at 19:35

Cool. All set there then.

sx_turbo · 29 Jul 2023 at 20:04

Scotspaul said:
For a little more context on me upgrading, I started with the 4770k on air with a R9 290X. I eventually did a ghetto-watercooling setup on the GPU using a CPU AIO with a custom bracket and a set of heatsinks.
After that I did 3x R9 290's under a full water loop then eventually replaced them with 2x 1080 Ti's again under water.
They too eventually got sold and replaced with a 5700xt, again under water.
All the GPU's were sold for pretty much purchase price due to the various mining runs there have been over the last 10+ years.

I guess the point is that I'd rather go max on the CPU now as it will likely stay put for a while..

Go for the 7800x3d CPU then and keep the GPU for a bit longer.

pastymuncher · 30 Jul 2023 at 09:53

Scotspaul said:
Its an XSPC Raystorm water block

If you went for Intel your block will fit the LGA1700 socket but you will need a new backplate. See here for details. For AMD you will need a complete mounting kit if they are even available as they did Intel OR AMD versions of their blocks. If going for a new block I wouldn't go with one of EK's overpriced offerings as they are simply not worth the money. Most of the top blocks are within a degree or two of each other and that isn't going to change until someone comes up with a new radical redesign of water block.

Craig_d1 · 30 Jul 2023 at 10:35

I think assetto Corsa loves the cache from an x3d cpu so would go 7800x3d as your starting point and work out from there
Out and about at mo but saw the 7800x3d v 13900k gaming comparison that hardwareunboxed released this morning and the x3d chip beat it 5%,4% and 1% in game average for 1080,1440 and 4k while averaging over 100w less power draw for total system use. I think it was the racing game that was an outlier also that trounced the intel cpu in all resolutions too, though need to check, and on a poxy old 2nd mob at mo that can barely type on

Craig_d1 · 30 Jul 2023 at 10:41

Just looked again and racing game you like, at 1440p the 7800x3d was 28% faster than the 13900k, using 6000ram (didn’t check precise ram timings)think it was compared to 13900k using 7200 speed ram

Scotspaul · 31 Jul 2023 at 14:50

Craig_d1 said:
Just looked again and racing game you like, at 1440p the 7800x3d was 28% faster than the 13900k, using 6000ram (didn’t check precise ram timings)think it was compared to 13900k using 7200 speed ram

Thanks for this, I wasn't aware of that YouTube channel and yes that Ryzen looks the better choice,