upgrading from a gtx 970? Not worth it?

[The Running Man]

Only on the NV side. The RX480 launch at the same $229 price as the 380x and is way faster.

But it's launched at a higher price than you can buy a GTX 970,

 

[TheRealDeal]

But it's launched at a higher price than you can buy a GTX 970,

Only in the Uk. Check out some U.S. pricing and even at fire sale prices i think you will struggle to match the RX480 pricing. The only reason we are seeing the gtx970 price so low is to sell it has to be priced lower.

 

[DPB]

Only on the NV side. The RX480 launch at the same $229 price as the 380x and is way faster.

Custom 480s are going to be more than £250, even with the fall in the value of the pound that's a lot more than the £190 the 380X launched for, which didn't have a reference design.

 

[TheRealDeal]

Custom 480s are going to be more than £250, even with the fall in the value of the pound that's a lot more than the £190 the 380X launched for, which didn't have a reference design.

In the U.S. there are many custom 380x's still priced higher than the RX480. We are called rip off britain for a reason. We are even more of a rip of now due to Brexit.

 

[razorpakk]

By the way as far as 1080p goes, there's no software that requires an upgrade -
The Witcher 3 is still the most demanding game around and I don't see things changing anytime soon -
whatever worked for a given resolution last year will also work now.

 

[harney]

bargains can be had out there

I picked up an gigabyte 980ti xtreme for £315 flebay but had a -10% free gift which was a surprise was £350

But i have seen Msi gaming ones go less than £300

the 980ti at that price is a real winner
even new you can get asus 980ti for £359.99 but most peeps would push for a 1070 by then

 

[The Running Man]

Only in the Uk. Check out some U.S. pricing and even at fire sale prices i think you will struggle to match the RX480 pricing. The only reason we are seeing the gtx970 price so low is to sell it has to be priced lower.

Who cares, I am talking about what I can buy here and now...

The reason why th GTX is priced lower is because the GTX 1070 is an amazing card, and because noviciate haven't put a GTX 1060 into the market place yet.

Of course they want to clear old,stock, that's business.

As a consumer it's great is it not?

 

[Seanspeed]

Nope as you would have to compare it to the 290 which released a year before and could be had for £200 with 4 games when the 970 released. In dx12 it murders the gtx970.

The 290 was only that cheap for a short period of time when it was basically on clearance and the 300 cards weren't far away.

You're also forgetting that on the 970's release, it was besting a 290X quite easily in most every game. Even on the 390's release, the 970 was still ahead. It's taken literal *years* for the Hawaii line to turn into what it is now. Meaning that for most buyers, who spent well more than £200 on their 290 card(it was a $400 card on release, let's not forget), spent a very long time with performance that wasn't nearly as good as it is now. It's good that AMD spent so much time shoring up the drivers for the cards, but it also meant a long period of time where the card wasn't performing that fantastically because Day 1 drivers were highly immature.

As far as DX12 goes, it represents a ridiculously tiny minority of games, so I'm not sure that really changes the picture much. Even moreso when you consider that for most of the 290's lifetime, there were no DX12 titles whatsoever.

 

[TheRealDeal]

Who cares, I am talking about what I can buy here and now...

The reason why th GTX is priced lower is because the GTX 1070 is an amazing card, and because noviciate haven't put a GTX 1060 into the market place yet.

Of course they want to clear old,stock, that's business.

As a consumer it's great is it not?

I would buy an Aib RX480 over a gtx970 every day of the week as i like my cards to last. You obviously care as you keep going on about how fail the card is for the price. The only price that counts from AMD is the $229 and at that price the card is not a fail. The stock which OCUK have on the gtx970 are probably bought and paid for at a much better price before Brexit happened and are now at fire sale making them look better. Any how those that wanted a 4gb card could have had the £175 Rx480.

 

[TheRealDeal]

The 290 was only that cheap for a short period of time when it was basically on clearance and the 300 cards weren't far away.

You're also forgetting that on the 970's release, it was besting a 290X quite easily in most every game. Even on the 390's release, the 970 was still ahead. It's taken literal *years* for the Hawaii line to turn into what it is now. Meaning that for most buyers, who spent well more than £200 on their 290 card(it was a $400 card on release, let's not forget), spent a very long time with performance that wasn't nearly as good as it is now. It's good that AMD spent so much time shoring up the drivers for the cards, but it also meant a long period of time where the card wasn't performing that fantastically because Day 1 drivers were highly immature.

As far as DX12 goes, it represents a ridiculously tiny minority of games, so I'm not sure that really changes the picture much. Even moreso when you consider that for most of the 290's lifetime, there were no DX12 titles whatsoever.

I am still looking forward to playing Dx12 games as i will still have more performance than the so called best bang for buck card of this Generation .

 

[GizF1]

I was thinking about this earlier, when I got my.280X it was about £230 on offer just after Xmas , I'd been torn between the 280x and 770 before then when they were £250 -£300 and pretty similar performance. It was the offer on the 280x that decided for me (and I'm glad 770 is pretty bad in comparison now)

Now it seems AMDs 80 series competes with Nvidias 60 series and Brexit adjusted there is nothing new around £300 that will offer similar longevity as my 280x has

That's inflation for you I guess....

Giz

 

[Smrtka]

Roughly 5 years ago (5 and a bit) the GTX580 came out....I doubt it could manage many modern games now at the resolutions that gamers play at now. So in 5 years from now I dunno if the 1080 will cut it either.

I'd hang fire with the 970 as it's still a VERY capable card. Possibly sell it and see if a second hand 980TI is an option. I wwent from 970 to a second hand 980 as a free upgrade. Sold 970 card for same as I got the 980 for.

Ehm I game on 570 gtx and get around 100fps on bf4 with everything off... lowest details

 

[McGraw]

I nearly stayed put on my 970 this time round but in the end I bit. It cost me £210 to upgrade after selling my 970 which was about £50 more than I wanted to, but what is £50 in the grand scheme of things.

Due to my case, I have a different agenda to most people and I would never buy the 80 series as that is way beyond the price/perf satisfaction I would get and the ti is almost certainly not going to fit.

I justified it to myself like this: (in no particular order)

-true 8gb vram
-cooler/quieter (my 970 was quite noisy and got hot)
-I can DSR assetto corsa or maybe go 4k
-current driver support
-even kinder on my 450w

 

[Seanspeed]

I am still looking forward to playing Dx12 games as i will still have more performance than the so called best bang for buck card of this Generation .

Whatever makes you feel better about your fanship man.

I play which games I want to play, not which best support any favored GPU corporation. Which so far, has meant that the only DX12 title I've even touched yet is the free Forza Motorsport Apex demo.

Now dont get me wrong, I'm not saying DX12 capabilities should be considered irrelevant. Just that some people, like yourself, overplay the importance of it because it's what you feel is good ammunition for your GPU brand warring.

As I said, people who bought a 290 spent the vast majority of their ownership without any DX12 titles to play to get this advantage. And even now, when we do have DX12 titles available, they still represent a tiny minority of games.

 

[Telecaster]

[rant]
So let me get this straight.

The GTX 970 was about 40% faster in most games compared to its predecessor the GTX 770 and priced slightly cheaper on release too.

Now, if you are currently using an Nvidia GTX970 and looking for an upgrade to current generation around the same price as you paid for the 970 - in my case £270, but lets include the Brexit currency crash rate, so around £300 equivalent with todays circumstances.

There is nothing at £300 that offers around 40% faster performance in games than a 970??

Its replacement the GTX 1070 is about £100 dearer on release (both pre and post brexit) than its predecessor so that's out of the question

The rumours for the GTX 1060 is its looking to be about £270 - £300 but only offers around 15-20% faster than a GTX 970, but means dropping from a *70 card to a *60 card but paying the same and getting half the performance jump than from the 770 to 970.

There is nothing from AMD in their current gen line up either.

So my upgrade path for my 970 seems a really expensive prospect now

[/rant]

first question is, do you even need an upgrade or just fancying a switch to something new and shiny?

You get far more performance by skipping upgrade generations, there's no point upgrading just for the sake of it. Put the money you'd spend on a Pascal upgrade into a Pascal V2.0 upgrade whatever that may be and just get full use out of the price of the 970.

 

[TheRealDeal]

Whatever makes you feel better about your fanship man.

I play which games I want to play, not which best support any favored GPU corporation. Which so far, has meant that the only DX12 title I've even touched yet is the free Forza Motorsport Apex demo.

Now dont get me wrong, I'm not saying DX12 capabilities should be considered irrelevant. Just that some people, like yourself, overplay the importance of it because it's what you feel is good ammunition for your GPU brand warring.

As I said, people who bought a 290 spent the vast majority of their ownership without any DX12 titles to play to get this advantage. And even now, when we do have DX12 titles available, they still represent a tiny minority of games.

Way to lose an argument and start the fanboy crap. I like to buy well and feel that i have due to my card looking better as every new game comes along. If your card being relevant to future games is not important to you then good for you. To me who holds on to my hardware long amounts of time it's very important.

Now cut the fanboy crap out.

 

[Telecaster]

Ehm I game on 570 gtx and get around 100fps on bf4 with everything off... lowest details

Is that even worth it? I think I'd rather play games on my phone...

 

[Seanspeed]

Way to lose an argument and start the fanboy crap. I like to buy well and feel that i have due to my card looking better as every new game comes along. If your card being relevant to future games is not important to you then good for you. To me who holds on to my hardware long amounts of time it's very important.

Now cut the fanboy crap out.

Nowhere have I 'lost an argument' nor am I starting any fanboy crap. I'm not a supporter of any one corporate entity over another. These are businesses out for your money. That's it.

Anyways, good of you to completely ignore all my cogent points in order to try and reduce things down to something you felt was arguable.

And no one is arguing that relevance to future games isn't important. But we're talking about a 290, which came out in 2013. Buying a card based on its potential ability to do well in a small minority of games THREE YEARS later is ridiculous. It's a totally asinine argument. Even in hindsight, you're talking about a card that has spent the vast majority of its life without this 'DX12' advantage.

And we're not talking about some budget card either. People who buy $400 cards like the 290 tend to be upgraders. The type that dont hold onto their cards for 5 years+.

As it stands, the 290, over its life, has been a good card. Not a great card, though. It's taken way too long for the drivers to shore up, and it's going to take way too long for DX12 to become any sort of norm. I'm trying to judge a card based on value for money over its entire lifetime, not just how well it performs in a small minority of games several years later.

 

[Griffildur]

Is that even worth it? I think I'd rather play games on my phone...

each to their own I suppose.

 

[TheRealDeal]

Nowhere have I 'lost an argument' nor am I starting any fanboy crap. I'm not a supporter of any one corporate entity over another. These are businesses out for your money. That's it.

Anyways, good of you to completely ignore all my cogent points in order to try and reduce things down to something you felt was arguable.

And no one is arguing that relevance to future games isn't important. But we're talking about a 290, which came out in 2013. Buying a card based on its potential ability to do well in a small minority of games THREE YEARS later is ridiculous. It's a totally asinine argument. Even in hindsight, you're talking about a card that has spent the vast majority of its life without this 'DX12' advantage.

And we're not talking about some budget card either. People who buy $400 cards like the 290 tend to be upgraders. The type that dont hold onto their cards for 5 years+.

As it stands, the 290, over its life, has been a good card. Not a great card, though. It's taken way too long for the drivers to shore up, and it's going to take way too long for DX12 to become any sort of norm. I'm trying to judge a card based on value for money over its entire lifetime, not just how well it performs in a small minority of games several years later.

I only had to look at the gtx970 specs and see it would go backwards in comparison. The 290 is a top end design in comparison. I also had the 7970 v gtx680 to look at and again one was a higher end design and eventually came in to it's own. Taking all these things into consideration along with the £200 price for the 290oc PCs+ which is 290x stock speed it was an easy decision for someone like me that follows graphics cards pretty closely. I then had a good laugh when it was revealed that the gtx970 only had 3.5gb of fast memory.

Any how if Nvidia had ticked the same boxes i would easily have picked there card. as you say it's my money and i tend to spend it pretty well when i comes to graphics cards and PC hardware. Hence the I7 920 i have now still motoring along.