Upgrading to a 8700k but with a dilemma

Doogles · 23 Oct 2017 at 20:57

What is the chance of Z390 having 8c/16t? I can wait another year but don't want to be bummed when I see it's just another 6c/12t, what would you do in my situation?

Toasty · 23 Oct 2017 at 21:03

Look for a 3770k.

mickyflinn · 23 Oct 2017 at 21:04

Mid 2018 according to the web.

eddiew · 23 Oct 2017 at 21:04

Personally, I'd assume that Intel will release an incompatible CPU that forces a new motherboard - because that's what they seem to do now.

If I seriously wanted a lot of cores and a good upgrade path, I'd go X370, Ryzen 1800X and really good memory, since AMD have been talking up their intention to keep the AM4 socket for at least a couple of years. My current 1600X is because I'm hoping to drop an 8 core Zen+ or Zen 2 into the same board.

But if I was happy with 6 and still had my old 2500k... I would go with the 8700K today and shrug about the future.

Doogles · 23 Oct 2017 at 21:12

eddiew said:
Personally, I'd assume that Intel will release an incompatible CPU that forces a new motherboard - because that's what they seem to do now.

If I seriously wanted a lot of cores and a good upgrade path, I'd go X370, Ryzen 1800X and really good memory, since AMD have been talking up their intention to keep the AM4 socket for at least a couple of years. My current 1600X is because I'm hoping to drop an 8 core Zen+ or Zen 2 into the same board.

But if I was happy with 6 and still had my old 2500k... I would go with the 8700K today and shrug about the future.

That is what I'm thinking, I'd be happy with 6 cores no problem but after spending £600+ on the CPU/RAM/MOBO combo I'd be slightly bummed about missing out after having this system for almost 6 years. Ryzen has intrigued me and I almost jumped on it at release but wanted to wait for Coffee, thing is without a crystal ball I'll be waiting for another 2 years for that next big thing.

Toasty said:
Look for a 3770k.

I did have a ponder but I've broken off the USB 3.0 pins on my motherboard and I don't really want to bother spending more money on my aging platform, it's not a bad option if I hadn't got the money however I feel like the next upgrade will be a big one.

mickyflinn said:
Mid 2018 according to the web.

Will it be 8c/16t though? That is the question, if it is I'll probably wait.

mickyflinn · 23 Oct 2017 at 21:51

Looks that way.

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-z390-to-support-8c16t-cpus-in-h2-2018

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/59153/intel-planning-8c-16t-cpus-z390-chipset-mid-2018/index.html

sadbuttrue · 23 Oct 2017 at 22:03

Intel can't afford to release the next chip as another 6c/12t with Ryzen 2 on the horizon. Right now they have the gaming crown and are matching AMD (within acceptable percentage but at a higher cost) in most multi-threaded scenarios. Another slightly faster 6c/12t from Intel would be a spectacular failure now AMD are finally competing.

Doogles · 23 Oct 2017 at 22:10

sadbuttrue said:
Intel can't afford to release the next chip as another 6c/12t with Ryzen 2 on the horizon. Right now they have the gaming crown and are matching AMD (within acceptable percentage but at a higher cost) in most multi-threaded scenarios. Another slightly faster 6c/12t from Intel would be a spectacular failure now AMD are finally competing.

So it's probably best to wait for the 9th gen Coffee/Ice Lake? I guess it would be interesting to see Ryzen+ or Ryzen 2.

Aneskimo · 23 Oct 2017 at 22:12

Doogles said:
That is what I'm thinking, I'd be happy with 6 cores no problem but after spending £600+ on the CPU/RAM/MOBO combo I'd be slightly bummed about missing out after having this system for almost 6 years. Ryzen has intrigued me and I almost jumped on it at release but wanted to wait for Coffee, thing is without a crystal ball I'll be waiting for another 2 years for that next big thing.

Just to make you even more tempted Ocuk has just knocked £100 off the entire Ryzen and threadripper range for a short time, some very good pricing

Doogles · 23 Oct 2017 at 22:19

Aneskimo said:
Just to make you even more tempted Ocuk has just knocked £100 off the entire Ryzen and threadripper range for a short time, some very good pricing

I was tempted to go into the MM and offer the dude £300 for his 1700 and Strix motherboard, get some RAM which I can carry over to Ice Lake and have some fun with that... So much choices, back when I got into PC gaming in 2012 it was i5 or i7 and that was it because the FX sucked with low IPC!

Aneskimo · 23 Oct 2017 at 23:37

Doogles said:
I was tempted to go into the MM and offer the dude £300 for his 1700 and Strix motherboard, get some RAM which I can carry over to Ice Lake and have some fun with that... So much choices, back when I got into PC gaming in 2012 it was i5 or i7 and that was it because the FX sucked with low IPC!

If I’m totally honest I’d probably grab that 1700 bundle if I had access to the mm I’m a little bit off the post count atm but it does sound a good deal

eddiew · 24 Oct 2017 at 10:00

Doogles said:
That is what I'm thinking, I'd be happy with 6 cores no problem but after spending £600+ on the CPU/RAM/MOBO combo I'd be slightly bummed about missing out after having this system for almost 6 years. Ryzen has intrigued me and I almost jumped on it at release but wanted to wait for Coffee, thing is without a crystal ball I'll be waiting for another 2 years for that next big thing.

I sympathise, my 2500k lasted forever and I was sick of the sight of it by the end - but it kept performing :')

A 1600X would be an improvement on your current rig, and that plus a motherboard will run you up less than £300. Since the memory can carry over to either camp, the cost of changing your mind isn't quite so harsh. If Zen+/2 turns out to not be all that, then I'll look to Intel's octo options when they're available

jigger · 24 Oct 2017 at 17:59

Doogles said:
What is the chance of Z390 having 8c/16t? I can wait another year but don't want to be bummed when I see it's just another 6c/12t, what would you do in my situation?

You can have an 8c 16t CPU right now for £250. No need to wait for 10nm.

southernorth · 24 Oct 2017 at 18:08

Historically, Intel usually allows for 2 generations of CPU per motherboard chipset. We shall see what happens next year, but it's too early to call in my opinion.

Born_2_Kill_83 · 24 Oct 2017 at 20:35

From what I've seen the Z390 will come end of 2018 early 2019, Intel will probably rush is out sooner rather than later though. The way I saw it - look at all the gaming, new titles and use you can have out of it in the next 14 months moving to the 8700k now. Don't see the point in waiting. You might be flush at the end of next year and be able to swap over to the z390, who knows. Live now and not in hope of what might be.

Doogles · 24 Oct 2017 at 21:17

Born_2_Kill_83 said:
From what I've seen the Z390 will come end of 2018 early 2019, Intel will probably rush is out sooner rather than later though. The way I saw it - look at all the gaming, new titles and use you can have out of it in the next 14 months moving to the 8700k now. Don't see the point in waiting. You might be flush at the end of next year and be able to swap over to the z390, who knows. Live now and not in hope of what might be.

As you are someone that owns a 8700k how are the temps? Did you delid? Also what motherboard are you running? Sorry for all the questions, I'm thinking of pairing it with a Asrock Fata1ty Z370 Gaming K6, has a code readout, dual BIOS and fairly cheap for £165.

jigger · 24 Oct 2017 at 21:20

AM4 or X99 is the way to go.

Born_2_Kill_83 · 24 Oct 2017 at 21:22

I purchased a delidded binned 5ghz one from here, running on the gaming 7 motherboard, 5g @ 1.30v volts max temp in prime95 small fft's (most heat) is 78c, gaming 1 hour 58c, will clock high as well with some fiddling. Runs insanely cool with the delid, the only way forward imo unless you get lucky or have some mega cooling.

Born_2_Kill_83 · 24 Oct 2017 at 21:24

jigger said:
AM4 or X99 is the way to go.

Change your record you've been on the same thing now for 2 weeks, repeating yourself over and over, getting boring, maybe some people don't want a 4 year old platform, maybe you should think about upgrading. Maybe as you don't like this cpu you should post elsewhere?

jigger · 24 Oct 2017 at 21:27

Born_2_Kill_83 said:
Change your record you've been on the same thing now for 2 weeks, repeating yourself over and over, getting boring, maybe some people don't want a 4 year old platform, maybe you should think about upgrading. Maybe as you don't like this cpu you should post elsewhere?

X99 4-10 CORES SAME PLATFORM.

X99 or AM4 are the way to go. With the price reduction maybe TR4 too.