Upgrading to Windows 10 from 7

Still a windows 7 user too, afaik MS have done/plan nothing new to improve control updates with 10. ?

I see also I am still in good company so the point of singularity is not reached yet.
Windows 7 may not yet be on the ropes - it remained the world's most widely used OS in August - but it's on the verge of ceding the top spot. Net Applications' latest data pegged the crossover point - when Windows 10 will run a larger percentage of all Windows PCs than Windows 7 - as October, a month earlier than previous forecasts. The trend lines for Windows 10 and Windows 7 now indicate that in January 2020, when Windows 7 reaches retirement, Windows 10 will run 61% of all Windows systems, with 34% still be powered by Windows 7
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... but I suppose the question is why they have not updated




EDIT lol; the Ocober windows 10 update blog - case in point - trying to allay the concern of users
With the October 2018 Update, we are expanding our use of machine learning and intelligently selecting devices that our data and feedback predict will have a smooth update experience. We will be further enhancing the performance of our machine learning model by incorporating more device signals such as improved driver telemetry and weighting of key features such as anti-malware software as we broaden the phased rollout. As we did with the April 2018 Update, we will be proactively monitoring all available feedback and update experience data, making the appropriate product updates when we detect issues, and adjusting the rate of rollout as needed to assure all devices have the best possible update experience
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Anybody know where you can purchase windows 8.1 please if you can still purchase it. Would rather go that route then straight to 10. If you could control your own updates i don't think many would have a problem updating i just don't fancy having to sit hours on end trying to sort issues out if any do occur. Simply not enough hours in the Day lolol
 
ebay/paypal + credit-cards, do not protect against fake digital media keys - however, if I asked UK seller to confirm before-hand that it would not report itself as a volume license, and was genuine retail packaging, I would probably buy at the right price.
it would be something physical too with the certificate, so maybe paypal will cover
 
Sod it im keeping with Windows 7 until they stop giving updates and may use WinHue to sync my Hue lights. And maybe see where we are in a years time with Windows 10. After seeing really bad reports of windows 10. I think ill give it a miss for the time been lol. Not that i will get any issues for sure. But seeing some issues what people are having its not something i really wanna go through
 
I upgraded from Win 7 to 10 just 2 weeks ago. My work laptop died that had Win 10 on it and the replacement one had been dormant for a couple of years and was still on Win 7. To me Windows 7 is starting to feel its age when compared to Win 10.

Just an FYI for those that dont know, the free upgrade path to upgrade from older versions of Windows to Windows 10 is still operational. It didnt actually shut down at the end of 2017 as announced.
 
adidan said:
So say they'll support something for a set period of time then say "ah nah, forget that but believe us about everything else we say".

Mmmk.
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I just think 11 years for an old OS like 7 is too long, I mean you still have Win8/8.1 as alternatives let alone Win10 which gets regular updates on builds etc....
 
V F said:
That only happened for a short time last year. Or was it the previous? I cannot remember. All one had to do was to carry out cmd tasks to clear out the catalog files etc and it was sorted. Elevon formatting had new catalog files that ended up working for a short time. As it would occur again until the GMX time ended.

It's never happened since. All it required was patience.
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I did try all the fixes available at the time but they did not work, anyway I have all my stuff backed up so was not a major issue to do a clean install of 7 back then, yes no OS is perfect and they all have issues depending on user or person you asked, end of the day I prefer 10 which in my case has given me far less issues.
 
Rroff said:
I'd be more behind that if they were doing a great job on 10... they aren't... the same issues you talk about with updates in 7 persist in 10 only this time the end user has less ability to work around them. Though the update issue specifically you are talking about in 7 above isn't as such a Windows 7 problem - MS screwed up the backend and then left it that way (maybe on purpose to try and push people to 10) for months until they fixed it.

No one (or pretty much no one) has ever said Windows 7 is immune to issues - the key difference is that with 7 it is easier to compensate for issues and/or they are far less likely to creep up on you just when you need to rely on the OS the most i.e. you can much easier put off doing updates until a time when you know you have a bit of time to deal with any problems and won't be inconvenienced if the update decides its going to take 11 hours to complete.
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As I stated in my case I have had less issues with 10 then I had with 7, some issues (not all) can be worked around regardless of OS in question, end of the day Microsoft decided to change the Windows update policy with Win10 so that is really their fault not Win10, I can see your point however.

I can agree with users out there that they should listen to feedback with regards to what features/changes should be installed in Win10 so it becomes a smoother/better experience for the user, convincing them is another thing.
 
Elevon said:
I just think 11 years for an old OS like 7 is too long,
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but it's like triggers broom .. once you have replaced the head and the shaft, is it still the same broom. ?



Cynically, you could say they made the forced update strategy change, so that their (testing) resources are reduced as they have a bunch of 'home' users/lab-rats who are forcibly inncoluated with their latest product, to see how they respond, whilst the commerical/pro/enterprise paying users, look on, and watch the fun.

If you read their update blog I linked earlier, it's risible that they are anticipating the october release will give problems, and they say we will try to correct them asap - meanwhile some users will suffer.

The 'Which' analysis form an earlier thread had it right, where users were told to present microsoft with the compensation bill for lost productivity and expert intervention, when these enforced updated 'messed' them up.
 
Will the main press report it though ?, windows 10 apparently enabled on 20million device -

so this should be up there on the news headlines like the online bank access problems, FB hacks, NHS intrusion ... or are the Russians/Fancy-bears getting cleverer.
 
Elevon said:
in my case I have had less issues with 10 then I had with 7
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Everyone has different experiences - I've had the same 7 install on my gaming PC since 2013 with no problems at all (other than a couple of periods when MS screwed up the updates backend - but that didn't really affect me other than I couldn't do updates in those periods) infact so far its been the smoothest experience out of any OS I've used. My dad generally has a very good experience with 10 - other than increasingly becoming frustrated by the update experience - his old PC (Q6600) and the new one I just built for him (Ryzen 2600) both install/update really fast so far.

Overall though with friends and family, etc. that come to me for IT support over the years Windows 10 is causing me far more headaches and a lot more searching for fixes than 7 ever has - especially with 10 fixes can require extensive messing about in powershell or keep reoccurring even when you think you've got to the bottom of it such as the start menu becoming unresponsive over time or explorer just not appearing at all, etc.
 
The only thing I don't like about 10 is all the bloatware that is built in to the os. I love 7 due to it being good bare os and simple.

The amount of crap in 10 is stupid and the amount of times that 10 also thinks it knows Better by re installing the crap again is annoying.

If there was a option for 10 without the bloat and tracking in the background I would buy it as I don't mind it apart from the above
 
ED209 said:
If there was a option for 10 without the bloat and tracking in the background I would buy it as I don't mind it apart from the above
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Full control over the level of bloat, telemetry and updates and an (optional) modern take on the aero glass UI plus re-worked Windows explorer to declutter it and I'd be onboard with the OS. Off the top of my head I think every other OS in existence even ones with a fully automated and curated experience still allow the end user to go into advanced options and take control if needed.

At this point they've pretty much proved conclusively the direction they are taking isn't working LOL and using end users as beta testers is doing more harm than good.

At the very least they could make the Professional edition more like that even if I have to pay the full price to get it :s at the moment the Professional edition is a bit of a mockery other than some token group policy options and domain stuff.
 
THings have probably got to get worse before the get better with 10 (wonder if the share price will be hit on Monday ?)
can we hope for an (insider) disclosure of the degree of the telemetry like facebook, however Zuck has managed to shift the guilt elsewhere (Cambridge analytica .... unlike VW), and the public seems very stupidforgiving so far.

Android does not seem to have had as many release problems (is it really that much simpler), or, have been significantly secuirty compromised, in comparison to MS (maybe criminals cannot make as much money, so it has not grabbed their attention), or, for that matter have a similar telemetry reputation.
 
jpaul said:
THings have probably got to get worse before the get better with 10 (wonder if the share price will be hit on Monday ?)
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I don't think things will get better until there is a massive screwup that hits national headlines such as an update malfunction that impacts something like traffic control or medical, etc. and most of those systems would be using a much longer rollout cycle with long qualification testing periods, etc. MS simply don't give a **** if the average user is inconvenienced.
 
...or ...., (original thought for me), maybe I need to pay for a pro upgrade £120/$99, and escape the 10 nightmare,
do they ever have deals on these ?

for many playing games, that would be a drop in the ocean, I imagine, but I have probably spent less than £100 on software in 20 years.
 
Windows 10 is full of crud I don't want. Updates are massive and take ages.

But I haven't had any problems with it in any machine. Other than one laptop for which I don't have gfx drivers. It's still n on W8 which I prefer to w10. You can make it more like w7.

Oh one problem w10 is too stupid to know when it doest have enough space to do an update as on my netbook. So had to do a clean install on that. About 4 weeks later and theres another massive update . This one installed. But why all the updates are so big baffles me.
 
What makes it worse I removed all the games by right clicking and going uninstall and 5 mins later windows 10 is re downloading them and putting them back. I don't give a damn about candy crush or Facebook apps that I will never use. If I uninstall then they should stay removed.

@Rroff, I agree and because I only use my pc for gaming I am tempted to go back to 7 due to a more clutter free, and less crap running in the background and more control over updates and the os. I have pro currently installed on trial ( no key entered) to see what this is like over home which is licensed to be used on the pc. It's like all the Xbox stuff, I have a 360 which cannot use any of this but can't remove any of it.
 
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