Upskirting bill blocked by single Tory mp

I am surprised people get so wound up about this "up skirting" phenomena when on any given night in the UK we have our classy youngsters (and not so youngsters) giving a free show on our city streets ;)

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What a strange association to try to make, as if the behaviour of some women after consuming alcohol should in any way minimise concern or legal protection for those who are victims of upskirting.
 
What a strange association to try to make, as if the behaviour of some women after consuming alcohol should in any way minimise concern or legal protection for those who are victims of upskirting.

Agreed. Clearly Chris Wilson is another one of those who think some women are asking to be raped by what they are wearing.
 
Agreed. Clearly Chris Wilson is another one of those who think some women are asking to be raped by what they are wearing.

I'd say it is more of a case that he doesn't seem to comprehend the difference in someone getting drunk ad showing off their knickers, or showing them by intension, compared with someone dressed in a suitable fashion having pictures taken surreptitiously to expose that which is covered. There is such a gulf in these things that is shows a wildly different viewpoint from the norm.
 
Unless I'm misunderstanding your point I'd be surprised if a Member's Bill became Law by being voted on and passed by as few as only 35 MPs

Any examples ?

This thread and the entire issue is about people saying that should have happened and deriding this MP for stopping it happening this time!

Up to and including judging him guilty of sexual abuse and child abuse because they don't like his appearance, unsurprisingly. That tells you a lot about what sort of people they are.

Private Member's Bills rarely pass, but if they do then they do. If a bill has passed through the House of Commons, it has passed through the House of Commons. Regardless of how many MPs were in the House of Commons at the time.

Incidentally, Chope has publically spoken in favour of this law. He's not opposed to the law. He's opposed to (a) laws being passed without a proper vote and (b) MPs being stripped of what little Parliamentary time they are allowed for raising their own political concerns (which is what they should be doing - representating their constituents) by that time being taken up by whatever the government demands (which is what is happening).

It's another aspect of the issue Moses and I were talking about a few posts back - the PM functioning as something close to a dictator.

I think Moses summed up the issue very well with this:

[..] That reality is important, even if technically it could all be ignored [..] the reality is that we have an elective dictatorship, even though in theory, technically speaking, the Commons could assert itself over the executive and take the lead on most things. [..]

And that's what Chope is trying to do and has been trying to do for years...and look what the response has been.

This is what he's said:

The government has been hijacking time that is rightfully that of backbenchers.

"This is about who controls the House of Commons on Fridays and that's where I am coming from. I actually support the bills that were before the house. Four of the 26 bills that fell at the same time were my own.

"But this is something I have fought for in most of my time as an MP and it goes to the very heart of the power balance between the government and parliament.

"The government is abusing parliamentary time for its own ends and in a democracy this is not acceptable.

"The government cannot just bring in what it wants on the nod. We don't quite live in the Putin era yet.

He's also spoken publically in favour of this particular law and asked the government to introduce it into Parliament as a government bill.

But hey, who gives a damn about what he actually says and why, what his position actually is? He's old, "white" and male, so he must be scum and there's nothing wrong in lying about what he's said and in presuming he's an abuser because "he looks like one". That's the way to go!
 
meh, he might well have had solid reasons for his actions, he still looks like a perv and it's still funny....

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He does, yes, and it's one of the few things I am kind of in mild agreement with. with Muslims. Ladies should dress reasonably modestly in public.

oh this is GD gold... :D
 
What a strange association to try to make, as if the behaviour of some women after consuming alcohol should in any way minimise concern or legal protection for those who are victims of upskirting.

If think it more of a straight forward observation that, in the UK, if one wishes to view a womans underwear one often doesn't need to employ the use of any equipment and or means as would be covered by the proposed 'upskirting' law as there's plenty of underwear (and more) in general show anyway....

Of course part of the attraction of such activities lies in the inherent risk of the activity itself and rush this causes (not something that any law will diminish .... Quite the opposite) and not in the end 'product'.

Having read the details for the proposed amendedment to the voyeurism law it looks quite sensible and I can't see a any obvious major flaws. I'm sure it will pass soon enough.

As others have alluded to this story is about more than one old white male objecting to a law prohibiting 'upskirting'
 
As others have alluded to this story is about more than one old white male objecting to a law prohibiting 'upskirting'

And to be fair, it's not even that. As he admitted he didn't even know what 'upskirting' was and if you see the footage, he wasn't even paying attention himself, he just heard something about a law and shouted object, which is what he does to pass the time on a Friday..

It's just this one blew up in his face.

So whereas I'm sure he has a point sometimes about "flabby" laws slipping through on a lazy Fri afternoon, this wasn't one of them and ironically it was because of his own lazy attitude of not even knowing what he was objecting against that got him into trouble :p
 
He does, yes, and it's one of the few things I am kind of in mild agreement with. with Muslims. Ladies should dress reasonably modestly in public.


So does/did your mum ever wear dresses or skirts?


If somone snuck a picture up there while she was waiting at the bus stop, you'd be ok with it because young women get drunk and naked at weekends?
 
This thread and the entire issue is about people saying that should have happened and deriding this MP for stopping it happening this time!

Up to and including judging him guilty of sexual abuse and child abuse because they don't like his appearance, unsurprisingly. That tells you a lot about what sort of people they are.

Private Member's Bills rarely pass, but if they do then they do. If a bill has passed through the House of Commons, it has passed through the House of Commons. Regardless of how many MPs were in the House of Commons at the time.

Incidentally, Chope has publically spoken in favour of this law. He's not opposed to the law. He's opposed to (a) laws being passed without a proper vote and (b) MPs being stripped of what little Parliamentary time they are allowed for raising their own political concerns (which is what they should be doing - representating their constituents) by that time being taken up by whatever the government demands (which is what is happening).

It's another aspect of the issue Moses and I were talking about a few posts back - the PM functioning as something close to a dictator.

I think Moses summed up the issue very well with this:



And that's what Chope is trying to do and has been trying to do for years...and look what the response has been.

This is what he's said:



He's also spoken publically in favour of this particular law and asked the government to introduce it into Parliament as a government bill.

But hey, who gives a damn about what he actually says and why, what his position actually is? He's old, "white" and male, so he must be scum and there's nothing wrong in lying about what he's said and in presuming he's an abuser because "he looks like one". That's the way to go!


Haha so actually he's opposed it because it came up the same time as some of his bills?

Like he did when he wanted to debate his pension not hilsbourgh?
 
I'm still in shock that Chris actually admitted he has any agreement at all with Muslim culture.....though it doesn't surprise me it's one of the more repressive and mysoginistic aspects he approves of :p
 
So does/did your mum ever wear dresses or skirts?


If somone snuck a picture up there while she was waiting at the bus stop, you'd be ok with it because young women get drunk and naked at weekends?

Long dead, but I can say with 100% certainty she'd have laughed it off. Years ago when I lived with my wife at home with my parents in a big house divided in two whilst we saved for our own place my wife came running back home one morning. She'd walked down a long narrow alleyway between houses to the local train station 200 yards away and a bloke had dropped his trousers and exposed himself to her. My mother who was in her late sixties / early seventies asked how old he was. My wife said he looked early thirties. "Good looking?" my old mother asked. My wife spluttered that she hadn't looked at his face that closely. "Oh, a big `un ehh?" my mum asked. "I'll get my coat and come have a look, he can't run very fast with his pants round his ankles". Her tip for dealing with such an occurrence? "Say thanks, but I don't smoke". That's how old folk like my mother dealt with such things. We still laugh about it, "upskirting" is another triviality that dosen't need specific laws, as Caracus2k sagely wrote, they do it for kicks, like peeping toms and flashers. A law change is unlikely to affect such inadequates to be honest anyway. Just listen to your mum girls and always wear clean knickers, you just never know..... ;)
 
The media have purposely obscured the reporting of this story for maximum shock value. It's incredible how poor the standard of journalism has become.

The whole world has gone completely bonkers since social media went mainstream. I don't know where it is going to end but there are dangerous times ahead.
 
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