Upskirting bill blocked by single Tory mp

sideways14a · 15 Jun 2018 at 15:59

Ok..whatever you say.

Tefal · 15 Jun 2018 at 15:59

FortuitousFluke said:
Technically speaking he's not really done anything actionable has he? I'd really like to hope that someone within his party would have a stern word though.

He was the only mp to block Alan Turings pardon and they had to find a workaround to side step his block.

No one's having a word with him, were just gonna have to wait for him to retire or die of gout

IronWarrior · 15 Jun 2018 at 16:00

Tefal said:
Sir Christopher Chope objected to a bill that would criminalise taking picture sup women's skirts in public.

1) how is this not illegal in the first place?

2) why on earth can one no object without giving a reason to block stuff?

3) good Lord how much of a perve does this dude look

1. You and everyone should understand why, government is so slow keeping up to date with the latest upskirt camera technology.

2. Don't know. lol

3. He's a Tory.

Tefal · 15 Jun 2018 at 16:01

Roar87 said:
Yeah the law does actually seem very reasonable and well worded

Yeah it just seems like a common sense update to existing voyeurism laws as time and tech has moved on.

Its the sort of stuff you'd think would be back office civil service stuff as its essentially just "maintenance"

FortuitousFluke · 15 Jun 2018 at 16:02

doodah said:
Yeah very true unfortunately but Dorset keep voting him in. He is the epitome of an aging and nasty Tory politician looking at his past views/blocks/filibustering.

It's an indictment of voting for political parties instead of candidates. I'm willing to bet if you went up to the majority of the people who voted him in and asked them what their personal opinion on a man who holds views like the ones he's acted on in the house would be, they'd tell you that he's scum, and yet they continue to vote for him.

Tefal said:
He was the only mp to block Alan Turings pardon and they had to find a workaround to side step his block.

No one's having a word with him, were just gonna have to wait for him to retire or die of gout

I fear you're probably right, the rest of the party should be embarassed to have him as a member.

Tefal · 15 Jun 2018 at 16:02

sideways14a said:
Before all the tory bashers come on and embarrass themselves the government had backed this so this chap is fighting his own line.

As a Tory voter, i disagree he's done stuff like this before he holds the whip and is supported by the party.

By not removing him they are implicit in all his actions like this he's only in power because of a safe seat as an independent he would be out.

So by default he's purely the responsibility of the Tory party

Azza · 15 Jun 2018 at 16:04

He's quite obviously done it to this bill and the Seni Lewis bill (proposed by Steve Reed) to move the headlines and heat away from May and the Brexit ****show.

TheVoice · 15 Jun 2018 at 16:04

sideways14a said:
Before all the tory bashers come on and embarrass themselves the government had backed this so this chap is fighting his own line.

#notalltories

Chris Wilson · 15 Jun 2018 at 16:15

Excellent news! Now I can shift that stash of directoire knickers I bought off Fat Sam

GGizmo · 15 Jun 2018 at 16:24

Tefal said:
Sir Christopher Chope objected to a bill that would criminalise taking picture sup women's skirts in public.

1) how is this not illegal in the first place?

2) why on earth can one no object without giving a reason to block stuff?

3) good Lord how much of a perve does this dude look

1. It is illegal already.

2. Probably because of the upto 2 years jail time.

3. Yea, no good looking people are perverts :rolleyes:

Freddie1980 · 15 Jun 2018 at 16:24

You should read why he objected to the bill before calling him names. The way the bill has been introduced and could have ended up on the statue books people could have potentially ended up in jail for committing such an offense.

sideways14a · 15 Jun 2018 at 16:24

Tefal said:
As a Tory voter, i disagree he's done stuff like this before he holds the whip and is supported by the party.

By not removing him they are implicit in all his actions like this he's only in power because of a safe seat as an independent he would be out.

So by default he's purely the responsibility of the Tory party

I am not defending him one bit i am pointing out the government wanted to pass this bill and he is fighting his own party on it.

HE has a right to explain himself but as pointed out he does seem like a serial ****, but there may be a good reason to object to this... then again there may not be.

MrRockliffe · 15 Jun 2018 at 16:26

Russinating said:
I mean...

Honestly, it's as though that picture has been taken from my brain. That's exactly what I expected him to look like.

touch · 15 Jun 2018 at 16:29

Freddie1980 said:
people could have potentially ended up in jail for committing such an offense.

Is that not the whole point of this?

FortuitousFluke · 15 Jun 2018 at 16:29

Freddie1980 said:
You should read why he objected to the bill before calling him names. The way the bill has been introduced and could have ended up on the statue books people could have potentially ended up in jail for committing such an offense.

Such an offence as what? Taking photos under somebodys clothes without consent? I'd be okay with them going to jail tbh.

Freddie1980 · 15 Jun 2018 at 16:36

touch said:
Is that not the whole point of this?

Your seriously in favor of putting someone in prison for doing this? A large fine payable to the defendant I think would be more appropriate.

Thekwango · 15 Jun 2018 at 16:37

Freddie1980 said:
You should read why he objected to the bill before calling him names. The way the bill has been introduced and could have ended up on the statue books people could have potentially ended up in jail for committing such an offense.

can you post a link to why he objected, i can't find anything off the back of my own searching

cheesyboy · 15 Jun 2018 at 16:37

Tefal said:
Here is the exact wording

Very specific and not really open to abuse

https://services.parliament.uk/bills/2017-19/voyeurismoffences.html

That does seem to be written ok, as fair as my untrained eye can tell.

So the dude's probably just an ********.

Nasher · 15 Jun 2018 at 16:37

Someones gotta be that guy

Making it a criminal offense does seem a bit OTT though.

Thekwango · 15 Jun 2018 at 16:39

Freddie1980 said:
Your seriously in favor of putting someone in prison for doing this? A large fine payable to the defendant I think would be more appropriate.

i'd want to see prison time for someone doing this....a fine for being a pervert? sorry no.....we going to start fining child molesters next?