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Uses where AMD or Intel fail?

easyrider said:
Not true, Intel is far superior when running multi audio plugins in music creation DAW while playing virtual instruments and recording in real time...

It well documented on the internet...audio latency is superior on intel...
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I don't think that's what he was talking about, that's a specific software optimization thing.

If he was talking about general multitasking i agree with him.
 
humbug said:
I don't think that's what he was talking about, that's a specific software optimization thing.

If he was talking about general multitasking i agree with him.
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It’s also hardware...something to do with how intel communication with the memory bus...

AMD are behind in this area even though it was improved with 2000 Ryzen

They might have addressed it in 3000 Ryzen but only time will tell.
 
easyrider said:
It’s also hardware...something to do with how intel communication with the memory bus...

AMD are behind in this area even though it was improved with 2000 Ryzen

They might have addressed it in 3000 Ryzen but only time will tell.
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Right, if you're an audio producer you may want to go with Intel, but that's not what he was talking about.
 
humbug said:
Maybe its a placebo thing. Or marketing, "cannot be distinguished" is incredibly subjective, i can see the difference.
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Have you looked recently? It is only an algorithm and they are being improved all the time and are different to those used by CUDA / OpenCL.
 
IT Troll said:
Have you looked recently? It is only an algorithm and they are being improved all the time and are different to those used by CUDA / OpenCL.
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Not since selling on my 4690K.

Quick Sync uses a compression algorithm extension, like NVENC and VCE along side the container, IE .MP4 .MKV... software encodes direct to container.
 
aoaaron said:
Are there any uses where you would MUCH prefer an intel or AMD CPU?

The only uses I can think of are:

1. Emulation ; most emulators still favour intel, but AMD seem to have nearly caught up with Ryzen 2 but not quite
2. Vive Pro wireless streaming ; as far as I know upon release, no AMD support.
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If I'm looking to empty my bank account as quickly as possible?
 
humbug said:
Quick Sync uses a compression algorithm extension, like NVENC and VCE along side the container, IE .MP4 .MKV... software encodes direct to container.
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The container is just a wrapper for the encoded stream. Software encoding still has to use a compression algorithm which can be good or bad. It used to be the case that these were more mature and so produced more refined output. But a lot of work has been done on hardware accelerated algorithms. After all, wouldn't you concentrate research and development effort on the faster solution?
 
IT Troll said:
The container is just a wrapper for the encoded stream. Software encoding still has to use a compression algorithm which can be good or bad. It used to be the case that these were more mature and so produced more refined output. But a lot of work has been done on hardware accelerated algorithms. After all, wouldn't you concentrate research and development effort on the faster solution?
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Well its compression upon compression, ,the algorithm compresses the stream before its in the container, Software doesn't do that, its just one layer of compression.

I could accept the algorithm is so good you can't tell the difference, now. But when people tell you MP3 is just as good as RAW because you can't hear the difference anyway ask yourself who can't?

I'm sure Easyrider will attest to this. You play a 200Hz - 20Khz MP3 audio file of Pink Floyd's High Hopes from the 1995 Pulse Live album on an Audio Files high end Amp and Speakers it sounds 'so' play the same song RAW 20Hz - 96Khz and you can hear it, the ancestral instruments sound flat and muted on MP3, swallowed in all the other noise, on the 20Hz - 96Khz file those ancestral instruments send chills up and down your spine, hearing that is all the drug you will ever need.
 
humbug said:
Well its compression upon compression, ,the algorithm compresses the stream before its in the container, Software doesn't do that, its just one layer of compression.
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There is still only one layer of compression. The container adds no compression. The stream is typically encoded to H264/H265 by either software or hardware and then placed into the container. You can take the video stream from an MP4 and place it into an MKV without re-encoding, it is literally just a container.

Your RAW to MP3 example is more like comparing a lossless format like CinemaDNG to MP4. RAW will of course be better than any compressed format.
 
humbug said:
Photoshop
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https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/a...erformance-AMD-Ryzen-2-vs-Intel-8th-Gen-1136/

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jigger said:
Someone has to pick up the tab for all the unsold Intel boards.
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Oddly enough, I do believe that you might have a very good point in regards this.
I think some of the pricing in board overhead is simply due to cashback, they lost out on units with intel, and now AMD is fastest, they will want to make Hay.
 
This comparison would still be based on Ryzen 1 and 1+ and intels 14+++. May have to revisit once the 7nm come out.

Dont you guys find it irrelevant at this point?

Edit: just look at that chart on Photoshop. It was done over a year ago. Many changes since then. For 170£ you can get a 2600 and only be like 11% slower than a cpu twice its cost.
 
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