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Uses where AMD or Intel fail?

Which is completely dependent on the underlying x64 architecture which Intel innovated. It's merely a small but elegant addition to Intel's ISA.
I laugh when people tell me how innovative AMD are as they still released crap for a decade. It's good to see that AMD's latest innovation is to finally release a decent CPU again.
I can get behind that sort of innovation.

There had been a cross-licensing agreement between AMD and intel. AMD receives x86, intel receives AMD64 (which is called EM64T by them).
Itanium or the intel's x64 (IA-64) CPUs are no longer alive.

intel failed with x64. It's now here only because of AMD's efforts.
 
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I'd agree if you say it's here because of IBM's efforts.
intel had wanted to move the entire market to IA-64, not to x86-64, in the distant future.
Well IBM popularised the 8086 by using it in their PC, but the design was all Intel. IA-64 was RISC based and revolutionary and turned out to be too risky! The simple x64 extension to x86 was more popular due to the easy backwards compatibility with the existing Intel standard. The Intel AMD architecture licensing agreement is now entirely symbiotic.
 
There had been a cross-licensing agreement between AMD and intel. AMD receives x86, intel receives AMD64 (which is called EM64T by them).
Sure, that is well known to enthusiasts and has no bearing on my laughing at people who witter on about how innovative AMD are when you consider the bigger picture historically.
Zen 2 is innovative and they deserve accolades for that but that comes on the back of a decade of failure which says a lot about how useful their innovations have been.
Hopefully they can harness their innovative side to kick-start the Radeon division and then they will be fully back. Be good to see them taking it to NV.
 
I’ve just encountered another one which is frankly ridiculous. 4K UHD Blu-Ray playback. To do it officially you must have an Intel CPU with SGX and an iGPU. The crazy thing is you must use the Intel iGPU rather than any discreet graphics. DRM gone mad!
 
I’ve just encountered another one which is frankly ridiculous. 4K UHD Blu-Ray playback. To do it officially you must have an Intel CPU with SGX and an iGPU. The crazy thing is you must use the Intel iGPU rather than any discreet graphics. DRM gone mad!

seriously? jeezes, glad i never bought into blurays.
 
seriously? jeezes, glad i never bought into blurays.
Yep. I was just about to buy an official UHD drive when I discovered this. So despite all my hardware being compliant I still wouldn't be able to play 4K Blu-Rays just because I would rather use my 1080Ti than the Intel iGPU. The Nvidia card is HDCP 2.2 compliant so this is just bonkers. You know your DRM is broken when someone with a compliant specification has to resort to unofficial methods.
 
Zen 2 has improved with regard DAW usage but still behind Intel:

Dawbench-VI-Chart-2019Q3-1-1024x537.jpg
 
The 3900x is only behind the Intel 14 and 16 core parts that cost 3 times as much, it easily beats the 9900k
The 12C is 5 to 10% faster than the Intel 8C at the buffer sizes that people typically use; the larger sizes are akin to gaming at 720p.
But the 8C is way behind Intel's 8C so the platform is still quite a way behind.
Overall it's a close call and I think Zen may well be a recommended platform for DAWs soon once the dust settles.
 
The 12C is 5 to 10% faster than the Intel 8C at the buffer sizes that people typically use; the larger sizes are akin to gaming at 720p.
But the 8C is way behind Intel's 8C so the platform is still quite a way behind.
Overall it's a close call and I think Zen may well be a recommended platform for DAWs soon once the dust settles.

The 6C/12T Ryzen 5 3600 at 4.2GHZ is faster than a 4.9GHZ Ryzen 5 9600K and the Ryzen 7 3700X is faster than the more expensive Core i7 9700K:
http://www.scanproaudio.info/2019/0...00x-dawbench-tested-3-is-it-the-magic-number/

At least upto £400 AMD is looking OK!
 
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