V Diet (journal!)
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The bad breath iis caused by ketones. You might be able to find diet Lipton Iced tea failing that make your own - or try fruit based teas. Cinnamon, coffee, cooking cocoa, peppermint are some of your choices for variety of shake flavours.
If you want to complete the diet you need to be able to satisfy your taste buds and your hunger - ie you can't stand your water + protein mix you 100% need to find a different protein supplement as you'll end up making yourself miserable..
If you want to complete the diet you need to be able to satisfy your taste buds and your hunger - ie you can't stand your water + protein mix you 100% need to find a different protein supplement as you'll end up making yourself miserable..
10g of carbs in a tub of quark, 9 of which are sugars. Is this too much as my pre-bed meal? I have some MPC is if it, but I was looking forward to that. I was going to have some options with it too, which is even more carbs, so I guess it's way too much. Bugger.
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V diet is just a keto diet, due to being vege and having a limit of carb/fat things to eat i tend to go half shakes, half egg based meals and the odd tofu thing.
IT really makes no difference if its shakes or food, the key thing is the keto part.
AS for carb amount, you have to test basically. I'm sooo inactive, yet I can get away with quite a high amount of carbs and stay in ketosis, some people can barely eat 20grams a day and drop out really easily. You really have to try and see, its very very variable from one person to the next.
Hunger shouldn't be much of an issue on a keto diet, fat + protein fill you up, its really only carbs that cause hunger. Eating enough is the main problem on a proper keto diet as hunger goes and you end up force feeding yourself food as opposed to craving it. Cocoa powder, get the quality stuff, think its called Blacks , its actually very very good for you , cheap and tastes good. Though in general you'll want a sweetener with it as cocoa is bitter. Splenda(sucralose) does the job for me, you can really put however much you want in of either and vary the taste to suit you, uber sweet, bitter, slightly chocolatey, insanely chocolatey.
How much are you actually looking to lose, bear in mind that depending on your previous diet , people tend to lose anything from 4-5lbs to almost a stone just from water weight and as a shorterm diet the numbers tend to lie. so even if your goal is say a stone, you'd actually want to go closer to 2 stone before you stop, as when you eat carbs again you'll chuck water weight back on almost instantly.
IT really makes no difference if its shakes or food, the key thing is the keto part.
AS for carb amount, you have to test basically. I'm sooo inactive, yet I can get away with quite a high amount of carbs and stay in ketosis, some people can barely eat 20grams a day and drop out really easily. You really have to try and see, its very very variable from one person to the next.
Hunger shouldn't be much of an issue on a keto diet, fat + protein fill you up, its really only carbs that cause hunger. Eating enough is the main problem on a proper keto diet as hunger goes and you end up force feeding yourself food as opposed to craving it. Cocoa powder, get the quality stuff, think its called Blacks , its actually very very good for you , cheap and tastes good. Though in general you'll want a sweetener with it as cocoa is bitter. Splenda(sucralose) does the job for me, you can really put however much you want in of either and vary the taste to suit you, uber sweet, bitter, slightly chocolatey, insanely chocolatey.
How much are you actually looking to lose, bear in mind that depending on your previous diet , people tend to lose anything from 4-5lbs to almost a stone just from water weight and as a shorterm diet the numbers tend to lie. so even if your goal is say a stone, you'd actually want to go closer to 2 stone before you stop, as when you eat carbs again you'll chuck water weight back on almost instantly.
Soldato
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Me and my mate want to do this for a month.
Can anyone tell me what i'd need to buy for a month and where i can buy the stuff?
Could i buy the stuff online? Because i have no idea lol
Cheers
Can anyone tell me what i'd need to buy for a month and where i can buy the stuff?
Could i buy the stuff online? Because i have no idea lol
Cheers
Caporegime
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forgot to add, Alpro light , soya milk, negligible carbs, omega fat(not much but its good fat) and a couple grams protein, infinitely better than water for protein shakes, much much better than milk for keto diet. Don't get soya alternative to milk and so far I've not found any UHT version that doesn't taste like crap either. Some of the soya milk drinks are ok but a bit weird tasting, the Alpro light is the "cleanest" taste, it essentially doesn't taste of much, just the same texture as milk really, the other ones i've tried are more nutty tasting and not as nice.
realistically, whey + milk should taste very neutral, cassein based protein drinks won't taste as good and tbh, its not really needed. Dodgey whey blends tend to taste worse as people add in more glutamine, peptides and bcaa's, eaa's as they tend to be acidic rather than neutral. I think glutamine peptides, depending on source, can taste rather sulphur like and smell like it too. I got some glut peptides from myprotein and they are just foul beyond anything i've ever eaten, rotten eggs basically. Stick with whey and milk and you shouldn't have an issue. Cocoa powder + sucralose and you have something wrong with your tastebuds if you dislike it.
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I'd just like to add to drunkenmaster's comments about Splenda - awesome stuff. Most artificial sweetners taste 'synthetic' but Splenda tastes 90% the same as sugar, with only a tiny hint of that strange 'plastic-y' taste that most sweetners have.
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Ah, you're actually doing this then. I'll watch with interest to see how you get on, I did really well on the V Diet and would do it again rather than mess around counting calories and weighing portions of things. I found it was something I was able to stick to more or less for the entire 28 days, only a couple of minor hiccups along the way.
Good luck Fus!
Good luck Fus!
Day 3
Again I’m at work so if the grammar and/or spelling of this post is dodgy then you understand why.
So, day 3 is here. Day 3 of nothing but shakes. I guess today is what’s known as the ‘wall’, or the ‘hump’ – once you’re over it the rest is easier, but getting over that wall is more difficult than it seems. To this point I have consumed 14 shakes, no food, 10 mugs of green tea, 3 cups of chai (no milk) and an ocean of tap, mineral, and sparkling water.
The bad breath is still here, although when using a ketostick to test my urine, it suggests that I am not in ketosis yet. I have to be honest and say my diet was very carbohydrate heavy before; I must have a lot stored in me to get rid of before ketosis kicks in. I will get there, though,
Today is difficult. Why? Well, that’s simple. I miss the feeling of eating. Not necessarily the taste of the food, just the joy of putting something hot, moist, crispy, or chewy into my mouth. And that is a hard sacrifice. To those who have done this diet, you will know what I mean; to those who haven’t, well, I suggest you give it a try. It feels as if I’ve forgotten how to eat, and oh boy is that strange!
The scales suggest a drop in weight of around 6lbs. That’s two a day if you’re counting – though, as is well known, this is water weight held in your body by the carbohydrates, and thus eliminating those causes this dramatic weight loss. However, I judge by the mirror, not the scales. This is where I can see myself stumbling (and, maybe a bit of rambling. You can stop reading at any point)
The Psychology of Velocity.
Picture the scene; you’re 21, 5’11 and you’re me. I was never ‘fat’; and never will be. (When I say fat I mean ‘Jerry Springer’ type fat; ‘I ate 50 cheeseburgers, and then I ate yo momma’ type fat.) Oh no, that wasn’t me. I am just a typical guy, who’s ‘t-shirt fat’ – Look fine in a t-shirt, slightly podgy without it. This, for the majority is fine. Hell, it was for me. Not any more. I want to be ripped.
So, as is the general rule, a naïve and nervous individual joins a gym and starts to go. No routine, no knowledge of nutrition and no structure. So, inevitably the results are slow. Real slow. But still, it’s better than sitting at home being skinny fat, right? Right. As time progresses, said individual becomes more dedicated, learns about macronutrients, protein, splits and so on. The gains start to appear, muscles that were non-existent before begin to pop out. ‘Looking big’ your mates would say, ‘you been working out’?
‘Here and there’ would be the response, but deep down you knew you were hooked, 4 days a week you would be there, pumped, dedicated and ready. You came, you saw, you conquered. Watch out, Ronnie, Im’a comin’!
You fight, tooth and nail for every inch you get. They grow, but it sure as hell isn’t easy. But hey, that’s ok. It’s mine now, nobody can take it away. This was how I thought, and in this game psychology plays a huge role
The V-diet tricks you. You’re so used to eating millions of calories a day; bread, pasta, chicken, steak. You know the drill, and your body is cool with that, but the V-diet does not let you do that. You can’t eat anything. Your once insatiable appetite is forced to be ignored, all in the name of definition. Your body suffers, but so does your brain.
‘How can I retain muscle when I’m not eating?’, ‘are my (insert muscle group) getting smaller’, ‘am I back to t-shirt time’?
On this diet I think about these questions all the time. I flex a muscle; ‘I’m sure that used to be bigger’. And it’s a nightmare. I can’t imagine how people who train and get injured/stop training cope watching their muscles waste away. Their work going down the drain. I don’t know if I’m getting smaller, but my brain definitely doesn’t like this diet. And that’s half the battle.
So, I’m to have my next shake in 10 minutes. I don’t want it, I want a steak. Not because my shake tastes bad, purely because my brain doesn’t want to believe it’s possible not to lose mass by drinking them.
So, if you’ve read this far (well done), I hope you have enjoyed it, and maybe some words of advice to get over this barrier. I’m not going to quit, but thoughts about my situation would be great.
Day 3 summary: Great diet for losing weight fast, though perhaps losing your marbles even faster!
Again I’m at work so if the grammar and/or spelling of this post is dodgy then you understand why.
So, day 3 is here. Day 3 of nothing but shakes. I guess today is what’s known as the ‘wall’, or the ‘hump’ – once you’re over it the rest is easier, but getting over that wall is more difficult than it seems. To this point I have consumed 14 shakes, no food, 10 mugs of green tea, 3 cups of chai (no milk) and an ocean of tap, mineral, and sparkling water.
The bad breath is still here, although when using a ketostick to test my urine, it suggests that I am not in ketosis yet. I have to be honest and say my diet was very carbohydrate heavy before; I must have a lot stored in me to get rid of before ketosis kicks in. I will get there, though,
Today is difficult. Why? Well, that’s simple. I miss the feeling of eating. Not necessarily the taste of the food, just the joy of putting something hot, moist, crispy, or chewy into my mouth. And that is a hard sacrifice. To those who have done this diet, you will know what I mean; to those who haven’t, well, I suggest you give it a try. It feels as if I’ve forgotten how to eat, and oh boy is that strange!
The scales suggest a drop in weight of around 6lbs. That’s two a day if you’re counting – though, as is well known, this is water weight held in your body by the carbohydrates, and thus eliminating those causes this dramatic weight loss. However, I judge by the mirror, not the scales. This is where I can see myself stumbling (and, maybe a bit of rambling. You can stop reading at any point)
The Psychology of Velocity.
Picture the scene; you’re 21, 5’11 and you’re me. I was never ‘fat’; and never will be. (When I say fat I mean ‘Jerry Springer’ type fat; ‘I ate 50 cheeseburgers, and then I ate yo momma’ type fat.) Oh no, that wasn’t me. I am just a typical guy, who’s ‘t-shirt fat’ – Look fine in a t-shirt, slightly podgy without it. This, for the majority is fine. Hell, it was for me. Not any more. I want to be ripped.
So, as is the general rule, a naïve and nervous individual joins a gym and starts to go. No routine, no knowledge of nutrition and no structure. So, inevitably the results are slow. Real slow. But still, it’s better than sitting at home being skinny fat, right? Right. As time progresses, said individual becomes more dedicated, learns about macronutrients, protein, splits and so on. The gains start to appear, muscles that were non-existent before begin to pop out. ‘Looking big’ your mates would say, ‘you been working out’?
‘Here and there’ would be the response, but deep down you knew you were hooked, 4 days a week you would be there, pumped, dedicated and ready. You came, you saw, you conquered. Watch out, Ronnie, Im’a comin’!
You fight, tooth and nail for every inch you get. They grow, but it sure as hell isn’t easy. But hey, that’s ok. It’s mine now, nobody can take it away. This was how I thought, and in this game psychology plays a huge role
The V-diet tricks you. You’re so used to eating millions of calories a day; bread, pasta, chicken, steak. You know the drill, and your body is cool with that, but the V-diet does not let you do that. You can’t eat anything. Your once insatiable appetite is forced to be ignored, all in the name of definition. Your body suffers, but so does your brain.
‘How can I retain muscle when I’m not eating?’, ‘are my (insert muscle group) getting smaller’, ‘am I back to t-shirt time’?
On this diet I think about these questions all the time. I flex a muscle; ‘I’m sure that used to be bigger’. And it’s a nightmare. I can’t imagine how people who train and get injured/stop training cope watching their muscles waste away. Their work going down the drain. I don’t know if I’m getting smaller, but my brain definitely doesn’t like this diet. And that’s half the battle.
So, I’m to have my next shake in 10 minutes. I don’t want it, I want a steak. Not because my shake tastes bad, purely because my brain doesn’t want to believe it’s possible not to lose mass by drinking them.
So, if you’ve read this far (well done), I hope you have enjoyed it, and maybe some words of advice to get over this barrier. I’m not going to quit, but thoughts about my situation would be great.
Day 3 summary: Great diet for losing weight fast, though perhaps losing your marbles even faster!
Good write up mate, keep up the good work. I'll be following with real interest - subscribed!!
You should do a seperate blog with pictures to monitor your own progress, if your not already.
Where did you get the stick to test your ketosis state?
You should do a seperate blog with pictures to monitor your own progress, if your not already.
Where did you get the stick to test your ketosis state?
Keep writing like you are, its good to read how things change in the mind rather than just the cold hard figures that could be posted.
You are getting a bit smaller, its to be expected.
As for the injury part and losing their hard work, trust me, its bloody hard. It must be over a month now since i've done any weights :/ i feel much smaller, softer. i know that i have to do a few weeks of rehab as well, especially knowing that my big toe is still not fixed and could easily break again, so going careful is a must :<
You are getting a bit smaller, its to be expected.
As for the injury part and losing their hard work, trust me, its bloody hard. It must be over a month now since i've done any weights :/ i feel much smaller, softer. i know that i have to do a few weeks of rehab as well, especially knowing that my big toe is still not fixed and could easily break again, so going careful is a must :<
Funny reading that for me, pretty much exactly describes me
6ft, never been 'fat' but in recent years have put on a little weight (due to injury/college/uni).
Just started gym over a month ago, limited knowledge of how to build 'mass' and learning all the time (mainly from places like here). Going to try some free weights today I think, maybe ask someone there who could help me out. But primarily I think I want to 'cut' and lose some fat, whilst in the mean time trying to build some lean mass if possible?
I'm seriously considering doing this diet some time next week, and then maybe post in this thread with more sporadic updates with less detail (I'm not as good with words), as I think this way it provides an incentive to continue with the diet.
Really impressed with your post style btw, very interesting insight and detail. Keep it up!
Cool to see some one doing the diet on MP products. I will most likely join you shortly and this is the shopping list that I have prepared.
Total Protein (5 Tubs)
Thermopure (90pillsx2)
Omega 3 (250pills)
Recovery XS (1 Tub)
Some scoops shaker bottles. (Wonder who's MP code I should use for my 5% off
)
On top of this I would need to get some Natural Peanut Butter, Flax Seed and some Fiber tablets.
This will be enough to do 28 days of diet and 14 days of transition time where you add in more healthy solid food.
Will keep an eye on your thread to see how you get on!
Keep shaking it!
Total Protein (5 Tubs)
Thermopure (90pillsx2)
Omega 3 (250pills)
Recovery XS (1 Tub)
Some scoops shaker bottles. (Wonder who's MP code I should use for my 5% off
)On top of this I would need to get some Natural Peanut Butter, Flax Seed and some Fiber tablets.
This will be enough to do 28 days of diet and 14 days of transition time where you add in more healthy solid food.
Will keep an eye on your thread to see how you get on!
Keep shaking it!
(Wonder who's MP code I should use for my 5% off
It's only fair....MP38291
To be honest I'm glad that this thread has got other people interested in trying this method. It's also good for support for eachother. Best of luck!
I must say, as a warning to anyone trying this; as much as MP try to convince us that their new Milk Protein is better than the last. It isn't. I know this is an opinion, but it really isn't nice at all. It would be better, if budget allows, to go for a blend like pro-peptide. I'm going to be getting some at the weekend.