Valve Slammed By Consumer Protection, Issued Cease And Desist On Anti-Consumerist EULA

Larrs888 said:
Indeed. the new agreement is BS, and the fact some people don't realise it appals me. It's not just Steam either, anyone offering digital distribution services with draconian terms and conditions need to be brought down a peg or two.

I do like steam but I do believe what is best for the CONSUMER and not the COMPANY. I bet all the fanboys will change their tune if they ever can't access their ££££ games collection for one reason or another.
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Of course they'll complain, because any sane person would.
But accepting this EULA which won't change anything doesn't make a difference to me and I wouldn't bat an eye lid.
 
Martini1991 said:
Of course they'll complain, because any sane person would.
But accepting this EULA which won't change anything doesn't make a difference to me and I wouldn't bat an eye lid.
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Well yeah naturally people would, myself included. I guess what I'm trying to say is that customers should never be put in a position where it could theoretically happen, why should we be renting games at full price....

I'm fully aware of both sides to the argument, intellectual rights and industry longevity etc. But it doesn't make it right.

I guess I prefer just having my box of DVD games that I can install, re-install whenever I want (well the ones without on-line accounts)
 
Who is it you think you see? Do you know how much I make a year? I mean, even if I told you, you wouldn't believe it. Do you know what would happen if I suddenly decided to stop going into work? A business big enough that it could be listed on the NASDAQ goes belly up. Disappears! It ceases to exist without me. No, you clearly don't know who you're talking to, so let me clue you in. I am not in danger, OCUK. I AM the danger! I AM LORD GABEN.
 
mmj_uk said:
The same could be said of physical copies, once they're installed they're the same as the day they came out and even if the manual/case is missing they're still identical to digital versions. You get more for your money with a physical copy whether it's 'a bit tatty' or not.
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The quality issue does come into it. Steamworks games have muddied the waters but a scratched disk could render a second hand sale worthless. Digital sales are essentially immaculate clones. I get your point but the landscape has changed. what was a grand old time is no more.
 
I was disgruntled about being forced to sign the new EULA or loose access to my 160ish steam games. Someone mentioned we should have had a No option that would prevent purchase of new games but give access to old ones, afterall we purchased those games under the old EULA.

If we got Steam to the point where we actually owned each copy of a game we buy on steam, even without the resale ability, that would be a good outcome. If it all remains as it currently is, not exactly loosing out here.
 
I'm on the fence about this as well. I agree with everyone above saying that second hand games would in some ways wreck the market. Then again, green man gaming has a system where you can trade in your game keys purchased through the site for credit to spend on games in the future, no idea how well that site is doing though.

That said, I'm not at all pleased with the way Valve handled it. Forcing you to agree to the new T&C or get locked out of your library of games? There's something wrong there, and should they be punished for that? Perhaps. I don't know what the laws are on that situation. And while I want to love valve, I can't see a way to spin what they did there in a positive light.
 
I don't mind not being able to resell games on Steam, but I do mind that Valve retain the right to revoke my access to the games I paid for.

I think the EU would be better off going after that rule tbh.
 
Tute said:
I don't mind not being able to resell games on Steam, but I do mind that Valve retain the right to revoke my access to the games I paid for.

I think the EU would be better off going after that rule tbh.
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This.

I want my children to be able to inherit my content also, if it's worth anything at that point.
 
Tute said:
I don't mind not being able to resell games on Steam, but I do mind that Valve retain the right to revoke my access to the games I paid for.

I think the EU would be better off going after that rule tbh.
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To be honest, why worry about that when it's very unlikely to happen? Even if it does happen, I can't see Valve lasting very long without lawsuits out the arse, regardless of what the EULA says.
 
Valve would never revoke your access to a game unless your key was stolen or you got your account banned. Period.

'Vee aye ell vee ee' not 'ee aye'.
 
Moothead2 said:
To be honest, why worry about that when it's very unlikely to happen? Even if it does happen, I can't see Valve lasting very long without lawsuits out the arse, regardless of what the EULA says.
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Omaeka said:
Valve would never revoke your access to a game unless your key was stolen or you got your account banned. Period.

'Vee aye ell vee ee' not 'ee aye'.
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That's not really the point though is it? It's been written in, personally I think it's bang out of order, and if the EU want to make themselves useful instead of playing "hug a criminal" they might want to turn their attention to making it clear to Valve that their EULA needs updating.
 
iviv said:
That said, I'm not at all pleased with the way Valve handled it. Forcing you to agree to the new T&C or get locked out of your library of games? There's something wrong there, and should they be punished for that? Perhaps. I don't know what the laws are on that situation. And while I want to love valve, I can't see a way to spin what they did there in a positive light.
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It's illegal in this country at least, if you wish to change a contract after it's been signed then you cannot punish someone for not agreeing to or signing the new contract. Valve did.
 
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