*** Valve Steam Machine ***

[Mark1989]

I think what will be interesting is Steam Deck 2, ignoring the form factor I doubt they will want it to be as close power wise to the Steam Machine but they also say until a true generation leap is achieved they don’t wish to do it yet.

The Steam Deck 2 surely needs to least be on par if not abit better than a Z2 Extreme but not too close to the Steam Machine

 

[Timber]

Was curious picked out of parts from ocuk to match steam machine as close as and cost was similar but didn’t have same form factor etc

Considering market and state of cost of electronics it’s cost is no surprise.

I’d still like one myself as I just love gaming on SteamOS. It’s been a breathe of fresh air since using the os on my ROG Ally

I can't get the same components, i.e. OCers don't have the 7400F or 7600 in stock, but building a similar PC particularly with an ITX form factor in a reasonable, small case does get as expensive. I think if you're not as bothered by size, or choosey about case with a 9060XT you can build something better value. And indeed if you look at second-hand parts can do even better. However the market is just is a very bad place atm. It's a brutal year all around.

And agreed Steam OS is wonderful. I'm running Bazzite atm on my lounge PC, but I may try out Steam OS 3.8 at some point.

Steam Machine doesn't need to, if you look at the direction of the games industry over the last 2 years. Most people are not playing the latest AAA titles which demanding high end graphics. The top Steam titles being sold just says it all.

Major reason why the Steam Deck is doing so well for it's low end hardware.

I think there also seems to be a rise in these 'moment' games like Meccha Chameleon which has done silly numbers. Often multiplayer games that get picked up by streamers and don't always come to consoles, or take a while. These titles on Steam are going to be absolutely fine on a Steam Machine.

 

[Absolutely Clueless]

I think knowing this thing has less gpu power than the base ps5 is gonna put a lot of people off, or even make them question is it truly worth it. It does have a way better processor though.. I guess.

I wouldn’t say way better. It has 2 full fat cores. The zen 4 label is optimistic at best. It’s not that much faster in cpu-bound games from what i have seen.

 

[malachi]

Most people who own a ps5 or Xbox probably don’t even know what gpu power it has or what tflops mean etc

I think this forum forgets sometimes avg joe users don’t look into all the fine technical detail

Yep, the Average Joe will see this as an good way to play PC games which are known to be cheaper than the console alternatives.

The upfront cost won't bother them when they know about the library of games they have access to. Thanks to the success of the Steam Deck.

 

[Begbie]

Yep, the Average Joe will see this as an good way to play PC games which are known to be cheaper than the console alternatives.

The upfront cost won't bother them when the know about the library of games they have access to.

What games?

Not many games the average Joe wants that isn't on console anymore at a signicantly cheaper price point

 

[malachi]

What games?

Not many games the average Joe wants that isn't on console anymore at a signicantly cheaper price point

Plenty of games go on sale way faster on the PC compared to waiting for PSN or Xbox sales. This is without going down the CD Key websites route, which opens way more options.

I know myself because I do it.

 

[Noxia]

Plenty of games go on sale way faster on the PC compared to waiting for PSN or Xbox sales.

I know myself because I do it.

Wouldn’t you rather pay a subscription to play online though?

 

[Begbie]

Plenty of games go on sale way faster on the PC compared to waiting for PSN or Xbox sales. This is without going down the CD Key websites route, which opens way more options.

I know myself because I do it.

Yes but how many 'average joes' know this. I think this can be successful but it needs the right advertising.

 

[Absolutely Clueless]

Wouldn’t you rather pay a subscription to play online though?

At least the games i play run on PS unlike Linux

 

[Noxia]

At least the games i play run on PS unlike Linux

What games can’t you play on Steam? Sony movie games?

 

[Begbie]

What games can’t you play on Steam? Sony movie games?

Battlefield and cod for a start.

 

[Noxia]

Battlefield and cod for a start.

I don’t think this is aimed at 14-year-olds. Mind you, not sure who it’s aimed at period.

 

[Haggisman]

Plenty of games go on sale way faster on the PC compared to waiting for PSN or Xbox sales. This is without going down the CD Key websites route, which opens way more options.

I know myself because I do it.

Conversely, if you get console games on disc you can sell them on after finishing with them which does bring the cost down a little

I really am 50/50 on this at the moment to be honest, I use my Steam Deck docked to my TV to play more demanding games streamed from my PC via sunshine/moonlight, which works well enough, but it's not quite perfect and does have some quirks and the occasional bit of latency - would be nice to be able to run them natively and the form factor/noise levels of the steam machine is certainly a big selling point, but the price/performance is definitely giving me second thoughts

 

[Begbie]

I don’t think this is aimed at 14-year-olds.

The average Battlefield player age typically falls between 25 and 35 years old

The average age of the Call of Duty (CoD) player base is approximately 28 years old

 

[malachi]

Yes but how many 'average joes' know this. I think this can be successful but it needs the right advertising.

Well, the average Joe knew how to watch films and sports in their home without paying for subscriptions. Once the word gets out people will follow.

Wouldn’t you rather pay a subscription to play online though?

Nope... Lol.

 

[Noxia]

The average Battlefield player age typically falls between 25 and 35 years old

The average age of the Call of Duty (CoD) player base is approximately 28 years old

So I am correct then, not aimed at 14 year olds. Also what’s your source that you didn’t grab from ChatGPT which skimmed Reddit.

 

[pingwing]

It's not going to have decent performance though.Unless you're going to limit the titles you play to older games, and performance-lite Indies.

Yeah I've not done triple A gaming in a long time so it's hardly a worry, think I'm just teasing my self with some hype for the fun of it., I just need to get the controller and get the fake steam machine build finalised instead

 

[Begbie]

So I am correct then, not aimed at 14 year olds. Also what’s your source that you didn’t grab from ChatGPT which skimmed Reddit.

100% grabbed from Google ai results obviously.

But I belive them to be fairly accurate. It's not aimed at them I agree.

I was just answering your question what games didn't work. Then you said it wasn't aimed at 14 year olds, which both the games average market isn't.

But it is losing a mass market share of gamers, not that it needs this though. Depends on its goals if it wants to be like Sony/MS and in every home or a niche gamer market.

 

[mrk]

£1000+ to not play the latest games is comical, if so many are doing that anyway without a steam machine why would they spend that much to continue playing the same old games. Surely you'd want spend 4 figures to get an upgraded gaming experience, not the same one otherwise why spend £1k+?).

Can exclude the 512GB model because that gets you 3* modern games installed before running out of disk space.

Maybe it's true Valve built it based on steam hardware survey, the "masses", but the bit people are forgetting is those same people have refused for years to upgrade their systems which is why 1080p gaming and 8GB GPUs are still rife according to the surveys each year. Nobody in those groups is buying PC HW because of the price, why would they spend more now to still have the same?

 

[Noxia]

100% grabbed from Google ai results obviously.

But I belive them to be fairly accurate. It's not aimed at them I agree.

I was just answering your question what games didn't work. Then you said it wasn't aimed at 14 year olds, which both the games average market isn't.

But it is losing a mass market share of gamers, not that it needs this though. Depends on its goals if it wants to be like Sony/MS and in every home or a niche gamer market.

Yeah I was just messing. Agree with that summary.
It’s a niche product for a niche market, and they’ve pretty much written that market off with the price.