*** Valve Steam Machine ***

Noxia said:
Isn’t the cheapest PlayStation plus subscription £50? So if you’ve had one since 2020 you’ll have hit £300 for the privilege of online features this November. And yet the value word is thrown about like people forget that lol.
Not that Steam thing is good value (IMO) at current price, but it seems some are just discovering the economics of scale for the first time. Watch and see the justification though when the new console prices are released ;)
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F2P games don't need PSN so a lot of the player base don't need it.
 
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Grim5 said:
Once NVIDIA works properly with Linux there could be a huge influx of these little boxes now that SteamOS supports custom builds

I might even buy one as my next PC if it's got decent hardware inside and by decent I mean it needs to be order of magnitude more powerful than the current steam machine
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Linux does not work with kernel level Anti-cheat that the biggest multi-player game employ. Until that happens it's going to limit the appeal.
 
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Noxia said:
Isn’t the cheapest PlayStation plus subscription £50? So if you’ve had one since 2020 you’ll have hit £300 for the privilege of online features this November. And yet the value word is thrown about like people forget that lol.
Not that Steam thing is good value (IMO) at current price, but it seems some are just discovering the economics of scale for the first time. Watch and see the justification though when the new console prices are released ;)
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I think someone put it quite well on Resetera when they said the Steam Machine 'feels like the canary for our new reality'; as the first new piece of hardware coming out post this AI-fueled tech crisis reality. Some of the comments in here remind me of the those around the RTX 2,000 launch, or as GPUs rose massively in price. The shock is everything is, or has gone up massivly in price and it will bring about hard choices for some.

Equally I'm sure Helix & PS6/handheld are not going to be great prices either.

Regarding subscriptions, as mentioned they aren't mandatory unless you're playing online, non-f2p games. Or include cloud saves, potentially cloud streaming and access to a game library - if that's your jam.
 
It's not just the price, it's the performance and use of ancient (in terms of technology a 3 year old chip is!) tech.

I haven't upgraded my PC since 2020, and this still doesn't even come close.
 
Fubsy said:
It's not just the price, it's the performance and use of ancient (in terms of technology a 3 year old chip is!) tech.

I haven't upgraded my PC since 2020, and this still doesn't even come close.
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Yep that's fair.

Although I think the horrible truth is that if it had stronger components (i.e. 16GB VRAM, or a newer GPU etc.) it would have meant an even worse price. I don't think Valve are insisting on massive profit margins, or anything, but reaching the limits of their buying power. I think they can be criticised for not-subsidising the hardware even a little bit as I don't personally buy the open platform excuse given the vast majority will be spending more on Steam as a result of buying this machine.
 
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