*** Valve Steam Machine ***

Raymond Lin said:
I technically have a 1tb 990pro not doing much at home!

But I doubt they would do that though, since it creates issues on how they can get their OS into the machine for those useers.
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I'll have it!

More seriously, looking at the tear-down videos the RAM is much more involved to replace. Not super difficult, but no-where near as user replaceable as the NVMe. So I'd imagine they probably don't feel comfortable selling the machine that way. Also the 512GB may be a nod to those that want to install their own bigger NVMe drives. That might help explain this pricing anomaly between the 512 & 2TB models.
 
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The storage gap is odd, there should be a middle model for 1TB

Going from 512gb to 2tb as an option is odd I guess it’s costs perhaps

Personally I think all manufacturers should give us 1tb as standard considering game sizes now
 
Mark1989 said:
The storage gap is odd, there should be a middle model for 1TB

Going from 512gb to 2tb as an option is odd I guess it’s costs perhaps

Personally I think all manufacturers should give us 1tb as standard considering game sizes now
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I don't think it's cost, I think it's more likely cause they have stacks of the 512gb from Steam deck which would also explain why it's 2230
 
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Noxia said:
Isn’t the cheapest PlayStation plus subscription £50? So if you’ve had one since 2020 you’ll have hit £300 for the privilege of online features this November. And yet the value word is thrown about like people forget that lol.
Not that Steam thing is good value (IMO) at current price, but it seems some are just discovering the economics of scale for the first time. Watch and see the justification though when the new console prices are released ;)
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Don't the PlayStation plus subscriptions come with some games attached? They tended to pretty good games too back when I used to own a ps4. Like last of us and God of war etc.
 
Hedge said:
Don't the PlayStation plus subscriptions come with some games attached? They tended to pretty good games too back when I used to own a ps4. Like last of us and God of war etc.
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All tiers including the basic come with 2-3 games per month which can be played any time as long as your sub is active. There's occasionally newer stuff and some good indies in there. The more expensive tier also have the rotating library like Game Pass.
 
Timber said:
All tiers including the basic come with 2-3 games per month which can be played any time as long as your sub is active. There's occasionally newer stuff and some good indies in there. The more expensive tier also have the rotating library like Game Pass.
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People tend to ignore that when being so vocal about online costs for console services. Gamepass isn't cheap. But it does come with a library of games big that I've barely had to buy a game in absolutely ages.
 
Hedge said:
People tend to ignore that when being so vocal about online costs for console services. Gamepass isn't cheap. But it does come with a library of games big that I've barely had to buy a game in absolutely ages.
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Ignored because not everyone wants a catalogue of slop they have no intention of playing. I just buy games I want to play.

And don’t lose access to them either should I not want to pay monthly or yearly for whatever.
That said, when I briefly owned a PS5, I thought there was a lot of good indie stuff in there but I knew that because I’d already played the titles.
Can’t speak for first party as I’m not really in to Sony movie games anymore. Just got Horizon FW on pc, but never played TloU 2, don’t like god of war etc.
 
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lovelyhead said:
I have to disagree. How many people who are looking to buy a games machine absolutely must have a tiny computer and must have CEC? If you are willing to compromise just a little on size and give up CEC you can almost double your performance for the same price. The only other roadblock for people is whether or not you are prepared to build your own machine or not.

For instance here is my machine. It is almost exactly the size of two Xbox Series X consoles. It can easily be hidden away in a livingroom and looks unobtrusive. It has a MATX motherboard, Ryzen 5600, 16GB DDR4 (dual channel), 850w fully modular ATX PSU, RTX 5060ti 16GB, AIO cooling and 2TB SSD. It cost me £750 three months ago. Full disclosure, the CPU is second hand and I already had the storage. Everything else is brand new. The case is 3D printed.




Steam Deck for scale:



My computer absolutely blows the Steam Machine away performance wise and the foot print it takes up is twice as long and twice as high as the Steam machine. There can't be that many people who can afford a Steam Machine who also have so little space that size is the number one priority.
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As much as I do think Valve perhaps constrained themselves a bit too much with the diminutive size, a system such as yours simply wouldn't fit on the shelf of my TV unit where I'd be looking to put a Steam Machine (or equivalent), so the size does play a large part when it comes to fitting it into a living room space.

My hope is that with Valve having laid some of the groundwork now (and taken some flack in the process) it will encourage some other manufacturers to have a go themselves and provide some other options without such a focus on making it as small as possible. I do think nonsense like the LTT video above doesn't really help though, they totally ignored the size constraints to the point they didn't even bother putting their system in a case because it'd show the flaw in their thinking immediately. Anyone with the space for a much larger system (or looking to put one on a desk) wasn't really the target market to begin with, that much was clear months ago but a lot of people people set themselves up for disappointment regardless.
 
With SteamOS being free surely any manufacturer/business that sells prebuilt pc could just do one anyway?

Surprised me they haven’t cause say ocuk could they not just build say a mini itx system all amd based so gives more comparability and let users choose SteamOS over windows
 
Hedge said:
People tend to ignore that when being so vocal about online costs for console services. Gamepass isn't cheap. But it does come with a library of games big that I've barely had to buy a game in absolutely ages.
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True. And people don't also realise it's a factor in why cheating is so much less prevalent on console. Just one factor. That said I do believe that fees for online multiplayer is no longer relevant. I think it's fine to charge for cloud saves, cloud streaming and monthly games.
 
Mark1989 said:
With SteamOS being free surely any manufacturer/business that sells prebuilt pc could just do one anyway?

Surprised me they haven’t cause say ocuk could they not just build say a mini itx system all amd based so gives more comparability and let users choose SteamOS over windows
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SteamOS didn't officially support pc builds until the Steam Machine launch. Give it a minute and see what the chinese mini pc makers think.
 
Not currently compatible with Nvidia graphics cards either (though they're meant to be working on it). If they ever get over that hurdle then it might become a viable Desktop OS for the more tech savvy folk.
 
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