Van is the Man
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indeed. however, the point im making is that RvN is seemingly able to score the majority of the goals. something that henry doesnt seem to be able to do.
utd desperately need an extra striker. right now we only have 2 (forlan doesnt count)!
utd desperately need an extra striker. right now we only have 2 (forlan doesnt count)!
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no he wouldnt get that much due to what the injury has done to him. Ronaldo is still a great striker, but before WC 1998 was when he was at his best.
RVN is a great finisher inside and outside the box, a great header of the ball, good close ball skill and basically natural strikers predator instincts.
Henry is very skillfull, fast, assists others, finish is decent but not as good as RVN's finishing.
Ronaldo is fast, skillfull, and great finisher. If ronaldo didnt get that injury, he would be THE best striker in the world easily.
But IMHO as a villa fan and MUTD hater
, RVN is the best ATM.Originally posted by Afterlife
you aint gonna win this arguement mate about RvN being the best striker in the game...far to many Gooners on this board for that
oh im sorry i forgot that only the utd fan opinions matter in this world
like m1ck has said we are biased towards our clubs
Christ here we go again 
In actual fact I am sure there are more man u fans here than arsenal fans not that it should matter in any way whatsoever
There have been some widely generalised statements here which just cannot be proved, it should just be enough to say both henry & ruud do the job for their teams.
However this thread does come after a week where Ruud has scored 5 times...however before that he was having somewhat of a dry patch, Henry has been failry consistant. To see fantastic goals you only have to watch a highlights program every fortnight or so & more than likely you will see one from Henry. You don't even have to go back numerous weeks, you can just go back to the spurs game, his goal in that was sheer class.
A thread like this is always going to be subjective. There is no way it cannot be so there is no need for the snipes I have been seeing lately. Also tbh imo having read them ALL, I would say for the most part it was the man u fans here getting overly defensive in threads. Calm down, & enjoy what is going on for your teams atm & then realise what is said in here is gentle banter and nothing more.
In actual fact I am sure there are more man u fans here than arsenal fans not that it should matter in any way whatsoever
There have been some widely generalised statements here which just cannot be proved, it should just be enough to say both henry & ruud do the job for their teams. However this thread does come after a week where Ruud has scored 5 times...however before that he was having somewhat of a dry patch, Henry has been failry consistant. To see fantastic goals you only have to watch a highlights program every fortnight or so & more than likely you will see one from Henry. You don't even have to go back numerous weeks, you can just go back to the spurs game, his goal in that was sheer class.
A thread like this is always going to be subjective. There is no way it cannot be so there is no need for the snipes I have been seeing lately. Also tbh imo having read them ALL, I would say for the most part it was the man u fans here getting overly defensive in threads. Calm down, & enjoy what is going on for your teams atm & then realise what is said in here is gentle banter and nothing more.
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Well no one is going to finish this argument as like someone said, there is to much bias towards certain clubs. But what no one can deny is that both are 2 of the best strikers in the world atm along with ronaldo. Henry is awsome, no man utd fan or any other fan of anyother club can deny it, and the same with RVN no one can deny that he is not amazing.
real madrid aint scoring to many either
man utd rely mainly on rvn, real madrid no way do they coz they got like loads of others who can 
for real he has been poor goal scoring wise, he still hasnt fully got injuries out of his system once he does we all know what he can do, country wise everyone gives him the ball so he is bound to score
Originally posted by Jazz
real madrid aint scoring to many either
for real he has been poor goal scoring wise, he still hasnt fully got injuries out of his system once he does we all know what he can do, country wise everyone gives him the ball so he is bound to score
personally i think he has peaked already. this is good as he will ever get. cuz he has been "coming back from injury for 4 yrs now" and always seems to be up for playing in the world cup. he just gets injured for his club. quite amazing that. he should be ok again in summer 2006, but then he will get mysteriously injured again for the start of the 2006/2007 season, immediately after the world cup. ala 1998 and now 2002.
we must accept that this is ronaldo's new level. like it or not. this has been the case for many yrs now.
coming back from injury says a lot about the character of a player. RvN was also injured yet he came back the first season and scored many goals. ronaldo doesnt seem to be able to do this. shearer also got injured and went onto become a top class finisher.
so i dont think we can make excuses for injuries etc. cuz all players have to deal with them. thats part of being a player, learning how to look after yourself (on and off the pitch), how to warm up, how to move on the pitch, how to avoid damaging tackles (within reason). these are all skills that dont seem to be picked up by most observers.
a lot of people also dont realise that sportsman are almost permanently in a state of injury. its just a case of managing the injury so that it hampers your training and performances as little as possible. when most footballers play, i can almost guarentee that they are playing with a few knocks, knicks, twinges etc. of course when the knock/knick/twinge gets really bad, they might need to come off the pitch before 90 mins is over, or worse, they might have to miss a game or 2.
frankly im not impressed at ronaldo's new level.
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Yeah, Ronaldo ain't too good at scoring.....
Cruzeiro - 14 games, 12 goals
PSV - 46 games, 42 goals
Barcelona - 37 games, 34 goals
Inter Milan - 68 games, 49 goals
Real Madrid - 7 appearances, 3 goals
Total record - 172 games, 140 goals
So you're right, he's not very good at scoring at all is he?
Lets look at his league record
1996/97 - played total of 37 league games - 34 goals
1997/98 - played total of 32 league games - 25 goals
1998/99 - played total of 19 league games - 14 goals
1999/00 - played total of 7 league games - 3 goals
2000/01 - played total of 0 league games
2001/02 - played total of 10 league games - 7 goals
2002/03 - played total of 7 league games - 3 goals
nearly 3 seasons ruined due to injury RVNs injuries were not this severe, so lets not write him this early heh
1996/97 - played total of 37 league games - 34 goals
1997/98 - played total of 32 league games - 25 goals
1998/99 - played total of 19 league games - 14 goals
1999/00 - played total of 7 league games - 3 goals
2000/01 - played total of 0 league games
2001/02 - played total of 10 league games - 7 goals
2002/03 - played total of 7 league games - 3 goals
nearly 3 seasons ruined due to injury RVNs injuries were not this severe, so lets not write him this early heh
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Anyway, back on topic.....
For me, Henry > RvN, but only just. Ruud is a great striker, no doubt about it, and is a more natural finisher that Henry, and gets himself into more scoring positions.
However, this does have the drawback that most of his goals are laid on by other players. Therefore, if the service is not there, he finds it very hard to score, as proven recently. Henry is the type of player who doesn't need help, he will happily get the ball in his own half, dribble round half the opposition, and score himself, as he did against Spurs.
Also, when Ruud is not in scoring form, he doesn't create that many chances for others. As a natural striker, when he gets a chance, he will try to score himself (nothing wrong with that). When Henry is not in scoring form, he will happily give the chance to someone else to get a tap-in.
Wouldn't say no to either of them in the Everton team to be honest, but for me Henry just shades it.
I must admit though, that in my opinion, Shearer is as lethal, if not more so, than either of them. Not as skillful or fast, but if I wanted one striker to put a chance away, I'd want Shearer every time. Lethal with both feet, amazing header of the ball, and very rarely seems to miss the target (scores 36% of his shots, more than any other striker in the country).
For me, Henry > RvN, but only just. Ruud is a great striker, no doubt about it, and is a more natural finisher that Henry, and gets himself into more scoring positions.
However, this does have the drawback that most of his goals are laid on by other players. Therefore, if the service is not there, he finds it very hard to score, as proven recently. Henry is the type of player who doesn't need help, he will happily get the ball in his own half, dribble round half the opposition, and score himself, as he did against Spurs.
Also, when Ruud is not in scoring form, he doesn't create that many chances for others. As a natural striker, when he gets a chance, he will try to score himself (nothing wrong with that). When Henry is not in scoring form, he will happily give the chance to someone else to get a tap-in.
Wouldn't say no to either of them in the Everton team to be honest, but for me Henry just shades it.
I must admit though, that in my opinion, Shearer is as lethal, if not more so, than either of them. Not as skillful or fast, but if I wanted one striker to put a chance away, I'd want Shearer every time. Lethal with both feet, amazing header of the ball, and very rarely seems to miss the target (scores 36% of his shots, more than any other striker in the country).
Originally posted by Davey_Pitch
Yeah, Ronaldo ain't too good at scoring.....
Cruzeiro - 14 games, 12 goals
PSV - 46 games, 42 goals
Barcelona - 37 games, 34 goals
Inter Milan - 68 games, 49 goals
Real Madrid - 7 appearances, 3 goals
Total record - 172 games, 140 goals
So you're right, he's not very good at scoring at all is he?
compared to rvns
Manchester United 67 games, 50 goals
PSV Eindhoven 74 games, 68 goals
SC Heerenveen 31 games, 13 goals
Den Bosch 69 games, 17 goals
Total Recrd - 241 games, 148 goals
Strike rate = 61%
Ronaldos strike rate = 81% (by daveys numbers should be that much but including all cup matches as well it should be 80% )
Alan Shearer strike rate = 53%
Henrys strike is much lower coz most of his career outside Arsenal he played as a winger not striker, like Davey said when henry is not scoring he is busy blazing down the wings setting up others
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rvn had a cruciate ligment injury. this is career threatening. shearer and RvN (of the to players) as far as i know, are the only people who have come back from this injury.
also like i said, part of a skill as a sportsman is to look after yourself, and to make sure u do your physiotherapy excercises. working hard in the physio therapy sessions is crucial to recovery and staying free from injury.
i know that some players are just unlucky with injury, but imo some players do very little to prevent injury in the first place. and once injured make little effort to come back from injury. i think ronaldo falls in to the latter bracket. do u guys not find it strange that he is ALWAYS fully fit to play for brazil (in summer of world cup year), yet injured for his club. to me this indicates that as summer of world cup year approaches, he works hard on his body (physiotherapy exercises), to repair the injuries. after world cup summer has passed, he goes back to his old routine (whatever it may be).
also like i said, part of a skill as a sportsman is to look after yourself, and to make sure u do your physiotherapy excercises. working hard in the physio therapy sessions is crucial to recovery and staying free from injury.
i know that some players are just unlucky with injury, but imo some players do very little to prevent injury in the first place. and once injured make little effort to come back from injury. i think ronaldo falls in to the latter bracket. do u guys not find it strange that he is ALWAYS fully fit to play for brazil (in summer of world cup year), yet injured for his club. to me this indicates that as summer of world cup year approaches, he works hard on his body (physiotherapy exercises), to repair the injuries. after world cup summer has passed, he goes back to his old routine (whatever it may be).
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