Vega 56 worth it at around £200?

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Ok so sell the 2 games, thats more than £20 back.

Like i said, penny pinching.

Not everyone has the disposable income you seem to. £20 is a lot of money for some, and there is nothing wrong with that. We each have our budgets on what really is a luxury item.

 

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The 1660ti can be had for £250, the Red Dragon Vega 56 can be had for £265, the 1660 can be had for £190 and the RX 580 can be had for £145 (although that expires today PM me if you need details)

So I would argue all of those are mid range products.

Also TBF to the manufacturers Vega lost money and the pound is worth less so everything will cost more. IF we could buy $2 for a pound the new Navi 5700XT would be around £300 but we voted for Brexit

Rubbish. Yes sterling has fallen. But it was roughly $1.30 before the referendum. It was last $2 in 2008. They are expensive because that's what the manufacturers can sell them for.

 

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It was heading to $1.50 before Sunderland result.

I blame everyone from Sunderland then.

 

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Other than Adored TV there's no leaks of any lower tier cards but they need them because Vega and Polaris are EOL. AMDs market share will descrease further if they don't have cards in this huge chunk of the market. I reckon a new £250 AMD card is coming soon.

No leaks apart from several unnamed placeholders in the Linux open source drivers.

 

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I'm still using a Dell 60hz monitor from 2007. I'm going to spooge myself when I finally get something modern

 

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I'm on a 2012 Dell 60Hz eIPS.

My next upgrade is ... well, everything, but the monitor situation needs to be addressed

Sadly mostly these days I don't have time like I used to to fully research things.

I'm wondering if it's worth buying a monitor or a 27" TV instead.

Defo (100%) don't want TN. Never TN. I lean towards IPS over VA. Or at least I did back in 2012 when I last compared the market!

I spent £1k on this monitor in 2007 as it was the first good 30" 2560x1600 and don't regret it. It has been so good over the years that my next upgrade will include a very good monitor. If you get a good one they will last many years and multiple builds. Like you I am upgrading everything. But I can't decide on 4K or ultrawide.

 

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Plus the vega cards have that expensive hbm which i thought would be better than navi gddr6. I dunno the real tech between em but i think hbm is better than gddr isnt it?

Yes it is. The bandwidth is much higher with HBM. But to the end consumer all that should matter is the actual performance for price, regardless of the the tech used to get there. I still think the V56 is a great card for the money.

 

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Well £250 was right on the limit of what I wanted to spend, and the AIB 5700 will be north of £300, probably £350 or so.

The V56 with an undervolt and overclock should be pretty close to the 5700.

I think one thing is sure. If AMD do release a £250 5600 card, it will be well below the perf of the V56.

You can also flash the V56 BIOS with the V64 one, which gets it a bit closer to V64 speeds.

 

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would that not void the warrenty ? also do you still undervolt it when flashed to vega 64. would undervolting the card with 56 firmware be just as good as firmware flash to v64 without undervolting or do you still have to undervolt it when flashed to v64 ?

was looking at this video which has the V56 the same as the V64 and getting the same frame rates not sure if its been flashed to a v64 or just undervoltedbut what i dont understand that its close to radeon VII in frame rates ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FWoEhyS-Jc

thanks.

got my email for the free 3 months gamespass can you sell this on and would i need to make sure the buyer has a amd card ? as i have 3 years of game pass anyway which includs pc gamming.

I haven't done it myself as I don't own a V56. But yes it would void your warranty. If you're overclocking and flashing to a V64 then you don't undervolt it. The point of the flashed BIOS is to raise the voltage limit in line with the V64.

I just watched the start of that video and he explains that the V56 has a power limit of 210w while the V64 has a limit of 295w. Flashing it raises the limit on the V56 to the same as the V64's 220w. This would allow higher overclocking speeds. The V56 in that video isn't flashed. Also he explains that the VII is deliberately underclocked in that comparison because he wanted to run it at the same clockspeed as the V64 so that he can compare the relative efficiency of the Vega 20 chipset (in the VII) to the Vega 10 chipset (in the V56 and V64).

 

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so would undervolting it be safer ? and would i get much more out of it going with a firmware flash to v64, would it damage the card using the 64 flash while using it once flashed would it push the card to much and burn it out as i am not to sure what the differences are between the vega 56 and 64 are in build quality.

I also edited my earlier reply with more info but I thin you replied before I did that. So I explained a bit more about why people flash them. There is always a slight risk of causing a problem if you allow the voltage to go above spec. But the V56 is simply a 'cut down' V64. You can see the differences here:

https://www.anandtech.com/show/11717/the-amd-radeon-rx-vega-64-and-56-review

The V64 has a higher maximum voltage whcih allows the base and memory clocks to be increased. But the V64 also has more stream processors and texture units. The V56 can never get those back by a simply BIOS flash because they are parts of the actual hardware. But in theory raising the voltage limit would allow it to increase its boost speeds in line with the V64. So it will get closer to V64 speeds but not completely match them (because it is missing some stream processors and texture units).

As I said... doing this would void your warranty and there is a (small) chance of causing a problem. I would only recommend it to people who know what they are doing. I haven't tried it myself as I already have a Vega 64 (and a Vega VII sitting in a box).

The Vega VII adds more voltage, more clock speed, more texture units and shaders which is why it is much faster when not underclocked in that video.

 

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Flashing is mainly so you can get the HBM memory to 1000+. The core clocks wont change, 1550-1600 is nice on a 56 with 950 memory (basically stock 64 performance).

Ah. Thanks

 

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Looking at it, the prices of RTX 2060s are starting to level with Vega 56. Given the choice, would you stick with the £250 Vega 56 or choose a similarly priced RTX 2060 6GB?

V56 has more RAM and so will be the better card long term.