VEGA 64 or Gtx 1080 do I need freesync?

LtMatt · 28 Oct 2017 at 10:30

RatmanGB said:
Tell you what, convince one of your board partners to release a custom cooled Vega and I'll give it another go?

I'll make the call.

nashathedog · 28 Oct 2017 at 11:14

footieboyz said:
THanks all this is the monitor
LG 34UC79G 34" 2560x1080 IPS Freesync 144hz

I briefly used a Fury Pro with both 2560x1080 and 3440x1440 and think an 8gb 580 like this https://www.overclockers.co.uk/powe...ddr5-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-18l-pc.html will be fine for 2560x1080. The problem is the pricing but as you can see it is on offer right now so I'd grab one now if it was me.

I grabbed an identical looking 4gb 470 Devil off the MM a couple of days ago so I'm a bit gutted as I would have had the money for this if I hadn't.

It's a good choice.

Brazo · 28 Oct 2017 at 11:21

TBH and I say this as an nvidia 1080 owner the 1080 (and by virtue the vega 64) is getting a bit long in the tooth now and starting to struggle in some games. If you want the most performance for that 144hz I’d wait a few months for Volta.

r22snapper · 28 Oct 2017 at 11:36

Wrinkly said:
Nvidia's Adaptive Sync has nothing to do with 'Adaptive Sync' that is used by FreeSync. Adaptive Sync for Nvida cards simply turns on Vsync when the FPS goes above the monitor's refresh. I get horrendous tearing with Adaptive Sync selected with my 1080Ti.

Yep, that is the reason I sold my 1080, the tearing is so obvious on a large screen (I have a 34" monitor as well). I certainly wouldn't be without Freesync or Gsync on a screen that size.

TheRealDeal · 28 Oct 2017 at 11:59

Brazo said:
TBH and I say this as an nvidia 1080 owner the 1080 (and by virtue the vega 64) is getting a bit long in the tooth now and starting to struggle in some games. If you want the most performance for that 144hz I’d wait a few months for Volta.

A few months. Volta might be half a year and for his resolution the performance of Vega/1080 is not getting long in the tooth. Get the Vega 64 deal for £470 With 2 games. Makes more sense over a 1080 since you have a large Freesync screen.

Martini1991 · 28 Oct 2017 at 12:18

TheRealDeal said:
A few months. Volta might be half a year and for his resolution the performance of Vega/1080 is not getting long in the tooth. Get the Vega 64 deal for £470 With 2 games. Makes more sense over a 1080 since you have a large Freesync screen.

Performance that's 17 months old can certainly be considered to be getting long in the tooth.

TheRealDeal · 28 Oct 2017 at 12:25

Martini1991 said:
Performance that's 17 months old can certainly be considered to be getting long in the tooth.

In times gone by maybe but if my 290x is still coping well at 1200p then I am sure the performance on Vega will last a good while. Just because the level of performance has been here for a bit does not make it long in the tooth. If games were pushing boundaries like they used to and much faster cards were appearing constantly then perhaps it would be but that's not happening.

shankly1985 · 28 Oct 2017 at 12:27

Martini1991 said:
Performance that's 17 months old can certainly be considered to be getting long in the tooth.

You can argue that, sure Vega is good amount months behind the 10 series coming to the market but surely the main thing is gaming. And the real question is does Vega perform enough at the highest games on the games released/coming and the answer is yes so it really doesn't matter how long it taken to release the main issue is does it run games fine.

Now had vega released so long after 10 series and really struggle to run games at the highest preset then we would have a big agreement here.

shankly1985 · 28 Oct 2017 at 12:28

TheRealDeal said:
In times gone by maybe but if my 290x is still coping well at 1200p then I am sure the performance on Vega will last a good while. Just because the level of performance has been here for a bit does not make it long in the tooth. If games were pushing boundaries like they used to and much faster cards were appearing constantly then perhaps it would be but that's not happening.

We think alike haaa

Martini1991 · 28 Oct 2017 at 12:39

TheRealDeal said:
In times gone by maybe but if my 290x is still coping well at 1200p then I am sure the performance on Vega will last a good while. Just because the level of performance has been here for a bit does not make it long in the tooth. If games were pushing boundaries like they used to and much faster cards were appearing constantly then perhaps it would be but that's not happening.

290X performance is very long in the tooth now too. 290X didn't give me anywhere enough anymore.

Martini1991 · 28 Oct 2017 at 12:40

shankly1985 said:
You can argue that, sure Vega is good amount months behind the 10 series coming to the market but surely the main thing is gaming. And the real question is does Vega perform enough at the highest games on the games released/coming and the answer is yes so it really doesn't matter how long it taken to release the main issue is does it run games fine.

Now had vega released so long after 10 series and really struggle to run games at the highest preset then we would have a big agreement here.

Well the first game I've actually tried ; Mass Effect Andromeda matches the criteria that you'd deem not good enough (Whether or not Nvidia is the same is irrelevant and would just bolster the position of the performance being "long in the tooth")
I expect it'll be fine for plenty others albeit.

TheRealDeal · 28 Oct 2017 at 12:55

Martini1991 said:
290X performance is very long in the tooth now too. 290X didn't give me anywhere enough anymore.

Indeed it is but with a mix of ultra and very high settings it will still do 60fps average in the latest titles. It's not how old something is but more will it still do the job. In my case it's still getting the job done. So pretty sure Vega will easily get the job done.

Marine-RX179 · 28 Oct 2017 at 13:15

Martini1991 said:
Performance that's 17 months old can certainly be considered to be getting long in the tooth.

You might say that, but Nvidia don't considering releasing a 1070Ti this late in the game is too late neither.

IMO, 1080Ti is the only card that offer relative decent performance to this moment in time in terms of progression (if we would overlook the pricing bit that is)...pretty much anything below it is more or less "2015/2016 performance" because of Nvidia's dip-feeding approach and AMD playing catch-up.

Marine-RX179 · 28 Oct 2017 at 13:16

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gupsterg · 28 Oct 2017 at 16:57

@footieboyz

My opinion currently is AIB VEGA card won't allow vast gains on OC ability. Temperatures may be somewhat improved. What will vastly improved is noise from cooling. This I believe from what I read concerning ASUS Strix RX VEGA 64, link plus this follow video from Mindblank on Morpheus II mod on VEGA.

I have owned Hawaii AIB cards in the past, Trix-X/Vapor-X/DCUII. I have also owned Fiji with AIB solution Tri-X/Nitro and ref Fury X with AIO. These previous setups were used with case for max airflow. Recently I went WC, so I have 3 AC F12 PWM pushing air into case, 3x AC F12 PWM as exhaust and a Silent Wings 3 140mm 1000RPM as exhaust.

My experience of the reference cooler lasted for ~30min IIRC. Besides noise it was the monitoring data that made me cut this experience short

. Below results of temps as "out of box" (ie zero tweaks) on SuperPosition 4K Optimized preset.

When I saw max GPU 74°C Hotspot 105°C and HBM 81°C I decided it was time to not experience the reference cooler too much

. Following day fitted the EK-FC Radeon VEGA block I had ordered, here are the results.

Now max GPU 36°C (drop of 38°C) Hotspot 55°C (drop of 50°C) and HBM 41°C (drop of 40°C), again no tweaks to card other than cooling solution.

I had a MSI GTX 1080 EK X for ~1mth, it cost less than VEGA+WC block by ~£125.

Ref AIR VEGA is not a good buy IMO vs GTX 1080 if you want cool running card "out of the box".

Ref AIR VEGA is not a good buy IMO vs GTX 1080 if you want quiet running card "out of the box".

VEGA is not a good buy IMO vs GTX 1080 when you compare how their boost tech implementation is.

VEGA is not a good buy IMO vs GTX 1080 based on power usage. Besides power usage having a cost, the usage = increased cooling requirement. I see higher temps for loop water with the VEGA vs GTX 1080.

So why did I go back?

I missed FreeSync. So for me that "hook" got back on AMD

. If I sold my MG279Q and got an equivalent PG279Q it was hassle IMO which I didn't want. I also preferred the driver panel/options vs nVidia. My last nVidia card was a GTX 280, so it was quite a surprise to see the panel looking very similar to what I recalled then.

Brazo · 29 Oct 2017 at 08:14

TheRealDeal said:
A few months. Volta might be half a year and for his resolution the performance of Vega/1080 is not getting long in the tooth. Get the Vega 64 deal for £470 With 2 games. Makes more sense over a 1080 since you have a large Freesync screen.

The only time Vega will ever make sense over a 1080 is when there are decent quiet AIB cards that are priced somewhat cheaper to make up for the other flaws (which If you cannot recall are nicely laid out by a vega owner above!).

Problem is AIB partners don’t seem to want to touch vega with a barge pole and can you really blame them? I can’t!

TheRealDeal · 29 Oct 2017 at 13:46

Brazo said:
The only time Vega will ever make sense over a 1080 is when there are decent quiet AIB cards that are priced somewhat cheaper to make up for the other flaws (which If you cannot recall are nicely laid out by a vega owner above!).

Problem is AIB partners don’t seem to want to touch vega with a barge pole and can you really blame them? I can’t!

No with 2 free games at £470 and having a Freesync monitor it makes perfect sense over a gtx1080. If you can't see that then that's up to you. Sure the stock cooler wouldn't be my first choice but I wouldn't want to be without Freesync so I would compromise.

silversurfer · 29 Oct 2017 at 17:49

I wonder if one of these helps cooling. The stock profiles for vega actually make it pretty quiet, it does run a bit hot but its not my fault if they setup that way so I presume its not bad

ubersonic · 29 Oct 2017 at 21:37

Brazo said:
The only time Vega will ever make sense over a 1080 is when there are decent quiet AIB cards that are priced somewhat cheaper to make up for the other flaws

Not true there are many situations where it makes sense, I.E:

1: If you don't own an adaptive sync monitor but have a desire to purchase one along with your new card (overall cost will be cheaper, performance ~equal and you will have better monitor choice as FreeSync = VHS and Gsync = Betamax).
2: If you don't own an adaptive sync monitor but have a desire to purchase one at some point during ownership of the card (overall cost will be cheaper, performance ~equal and you will have better monitor choice as FreeSync = VHS and Gsync = Betamax).
3: If your case can only accommodate blower coolers (cost and performance will be ~equal but noise will be a bit lower due to the better cooler).
4: If you want to use any applications where Vega's compute power is an advantage (cost and gaming performance will be ~equal but application performance will be higher).
5: If you leave your computer mining while you're at work (more money).
et al.

Personally I don't get the blind brand loyalty people sometimes exhibit, it's strange to me that when Nvida's cards run hotter or use more power it's a non issue but when AMDs do it's the end of the world, when in both cases it hardly matters. People should just ignore brand power and get whatever card is best for what they want to pay and what they want to use it for (yes I know I have V64 and 1080 cards in different systems, they serve different purposes).

Brazo · 29 Oct 2017 at 22:19

ubersonic said:
Not true there are many situations where it makes sense, I.E:

1: If you don't own an adaptive sync monitor but have a desire to purchase one along with your new card (overall cost will be cheaper, performance ~equal and you will have better monitor choice as FreeSync = VHS and Gsync = Betamax).
2: If you don't own an adaptive sync monitor but have a desire to purchase one at some point during ownership of the card (overall cost will be cheaper, performance ~equal and you will have better monitor choice as FreeSync = VHS and Gsync = Betamax).
3: If your case can only accommodate blower coolers (cost and performance will be ~equal but noise will be a bit lower due to the better cooler).
4: If you want to use any applications where Vega's compute power is an advantage (cost and gaming performance will be ~equal but application performance will be higher).
5: If you leave your computer mining while you're at work (more money).
et al.

Personally I don't get the blind brand loyalty people sometimes exhibit, it's strange to me that when Nvida's cards run hotter or use more power it's a non issue but when AMDs do it's the end of the world, when in both cases it hardly matters. People should just ignore brand power and get whatever card is best for what they want to pay and what they want to use it for (yes I know I have V64 and 1080 cards in different systems, they serve different purposes).

1 & 2. Really no ones going to be looking to tie themselves into free sync with the current crop of cards on offer. I get that a tiny percentage think they are ‘tied’ into free sync hence ‘having’ to buy vega but No one in their right mind would seek to tie themselves into free sync if they don’t have to!

3. There are plenty of cards that can fit into small cases. Again it’s a lame reason.

4. Yep I’ll give you that but my comments related to gaming so irrelevant.

5. Absolutely it’s miners buying Vega I’m sure.