Yes, this sums it up nicely. Labour's response has made them look petty and small not to mention tactically inept. Targetting Soubry for campaigning when they should be angling to encourage more Tories to defect is particularly witless.
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Yes, this sums it up nicely. Labour's response has made them look petty and small not to mention tactically inept. Targetting Soubry for campaigning when they should be angling to encourage more Tories to defect is particularly witless.
In the Disaster movie scenario, this is like saying that being on the receiving end of a whole magazine of bullets from a machine gun is better than being hit by a 120mm shell.
If I'm standing behind a kevlar sheet (the Earth's atmosphere), then it is.
Well yes, it depends on the size of the object. That's why I said if it's small enough, that breaking up over an urban area could actually be more damaging than it being in one piece. Similarly, make it big enough and a million equal pieces of it are still going to be huge. But between these extremes, there's a wide range in which breaking it apart would be more survivable than equal mass in one piece.
When you want a specific argument with me about asteroid impacts, put some specific figures in your post at the start. Otherwise you're going to get generalised replies. It's no good specifying what size of object "we" are discussing in the second reply and retroactively telling I'm wrong.
It would. But as I said, it's the delivery mechanism that is the issue. We've not developed the technology to GET our nuclear weapons out that far or track an object moving that quickly. There's a massive difference between the USA being able to mass-murder people in an Earth-bound Japanese city and getting something 100 million miles away travelling at a speed of 40km/s. Let alone detonating several such somethings from the right side at the right time to get the trajectory change you want.
Agreed. If it's covered in ice, you get more options.
Agreed. Always up for more monitoring of our little region of the galaxy. Fun fact: one of the extinction-level asteroids currently being tracked is calculated to have a 1 in 7000 chance of striking the Earth in the 2020's.
Anyway, any more topic drift and this will get shut down, so interesting as it is.....!
Agreed. Let us quibble about the end of civilization another time.
It's been fun.
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Seems things are heating up, I wouldn't be surprised if some aid gets through and suddenly the protestors are magically armed with American made guns, just echo's Syria and the start of Arab Spring there
Maduro is still blocking aid, while his troops use live ammunition on civilians:
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Guaidó is claiming the high moral ground, which is easy enough because he hasn't actually done anything except yell into a microphone. I wonder how long it will be before Trump's regime change plan swings into action.
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Guaidó is claiming the high moral ground, which is easy enough because he hasn't actually done anything except yell into a microphone. I wonder how long it will be before Trump's regime change plan swings into action.
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The only positive is American interference in South America does not create fanatical terrorists like we see in the Middle East, so it's slightly less worse
It does however fuel domestic terror in the USA in some humourless irony.
How’s Libya nowadays btw? It can’t possibly be worse right guys?
Guaidó will be meeting Mike Pompeo at a summit of the Lima Group (12 American states which have acknowledged him as the rightful president).
There is speculation that Guaidó intends to ask Pompeo for a Trump-backed 'liberation' of Venezuela.
Yes it does. South and Central American history is soaked with the blood of innocents slaughtered by domestic terrorists who never existed until the USA started meddling in the region.
There is speculation that Guaidó intends to ask Pompeo for a Trump-backed 'liberation' of Venezuela.
Yes it does. South and Central American history is soaked with the blood of innocents slaughtered by domestic terrorists who never existed until the USA started meddling in the region.
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https://travel.state.gov/content/tr...s/traveladvisories/libya-travel-advisory.html
The people are truly free, free from any laws
His deputy supposedly is claiming it is a done deal and details will be revealed within the next 24-36 hours.
Libya was destroyed by civil war. I can't see that happening to Venezuela. I don't think the same factors are present.
What caused the civil war?
Libya was destroyed because "we" (NATO?) basically provided the rebels with an air force.
Had we kept our noses out of it, the Government forces would have crushed them PDQ.
Gadaffi being a murderous *******.
Primarily NATO, but with some involvement from local powers: Qatar, Jordan, and the UAE.
By the time of the international intervention, the rebels held large areas of the east of the country, including the largest oil fields, and the second largest city. Gadaffi's forces had pushed back and reclaimed some ground but they were also running out of fuel for their jets. Without international intervention there is every reason to believe that Libya would have settled in for a long, bloody, civil war.
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The Arab Spring. Libyans were sick and tired of living under a dictator.
Libya was destroyed because it was a tin pot little dictatorship that collapsed on itself, as tin pot little dictatorships so often do.
Wait, you don't even know who was involved? Let me help. The list of 'we' is as follows:
* Belgium
* Bulgaria
* Canada
* Denmark
* France
* Greece
* Italy
* Netherlands
* Norway
* Romania
* Spain
* Turkey
* United Kingdom
* United States
* Jordan
* Qatar
* Sweden
* United Arab Emirates
And what were 'we' doing? 'We' were lawfully enforcing UNSC Resolution 1973.
Incidentally, it's worth noting that Russia was the second nation to recognise the Transitional Council as Libya's interim government. Putin did this in April 2011, long before the outcome of the war was certain. He wanted Gaddafi gone, but he didn't want to get his hands dirty in the process.
Had we kept our noses out of it, up to 500,000 civilians would have been slaughtered. I have mixed feelings about the intervention, but it did save a huge number of lives.
Libya was always going to be a complete wreck after the civil war was over; the only question was how many civilians would die in the process. UNSC Resolution 1973 was passed with the aim of ensuring that number was as low as possible.
Replaced by....
And in the process destroyed their second city, massacring thousands of civilians etc..