Based on what?
What do those have to do with genocide? Are you just trowing in random things vaguely related to US foreign policy and again ignoring the context here?
Venezuela the failed socialist state - Rising tensions.
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Based on what?
What do those have to do with genocide? Are you just trowing in random things vaguely related to US foreign policy and again ignoring the context here?
A complete non-understanding of the history of the region apparently if he genuinely thinks that either were "U.S attempts to destabilise the region"
A complete non-understanding of the history of the region apparently if he genuinely thinks that either were "U.S attempts to destabilise the region"
This is quite ignorant of you speaking about history. Tell us how the Great Britain helped for the liberation of the Christians under the Ottoman rule?
Double standards, yes?
I know, your interest is to help Turkey which enslaved all the slavic people and Christians on the Balkan peninsula.
This is quite ignorant of you speaking about history. Tell us how the Great Britain helped for the liberation of the Christians under the Ottoman rule?
Double standards, yes?
I know, your interest is to help Turkey which enslaved all the slavic people and Christians on the Balkan peninsula.
You’re not in a great place to call others ignorant at the moment given you’ve neither explained your previous statement re: the US wanting to destabilise the region nor given any explanation of why you’re mentioning Brazil and Iran in the context of genocide?
I don't know why you replied to the original post. What exactly are you saying - that genocide happens elsewhere, not just in oil rich countries?
I didn't want to say anything about genocide.
It was a direct reply about the possible consequencies of the U.S intervention there.
Destabilisation happens when you paint borders based on ethnic groups within a country whose central government doesn't agree.
*Cough* Isreal.
Yikes, Hillary Derangement Syndome is still going strong I see.
A bloke in my neighbourhood who collects currency from around the world. This note is in pristine condition, it's never been circulated.
She was calling for a partial no-fly zone.
But he was wrong. At a Senate hearing, General Joseph Dunford (chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff). initially claimed that this would spark war with Russia, but when pressed by John McCain to justify his answer he corrected himself, saying 'I did not mean to say that imposing a no-fly zone would require us to go to war.'
I'd like to see a source for that.
Israel*
A bloke in my neighbourhood who collects currency from around the world. This note is in pristine condition, it's never been circulated.
She was calling for a partial no-fly zone.
But he was wrong. At a Senate hearing, General Joseph Dunford (chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff). initially claimed that this would spark war with Russia, but when pressed by John McCain to justify his answer he corrected himself, saying 'I did not mean to say that imposing a no-fly zone would require us to go to war.'
I'd like to see a source for that.
Israel*
Back to the topic at hand .....
That must be the old currency. The Strong Bolivar that was replaced in 2018 by the Sovereign Bolivar (or Bolivar soberano) - current black market exchange rate is around 6300 bolivars to the dollar (dolartoday.com is the one most used in the country. Maduro used to seriously hate it!). The official rate (DICOM) is around 5900 (free floating exchange was finally brought in last month).
If that's the new currency then at even the black market rate you've got nearly $160,000 !
I responded directly to the claim made by the poster I quoted... you know, replied to what he was talking about.
Why quote me to just randomly throw in something about the US then? Again... what does it have to do with my post... that you quoted?
I don't see how it was a direct reply to anything I'd said thus the question.
You made a bigger claim than this though, you claimed that the US intervened in order to attempt to destabilise - what is that claim based on?
This is quite ignorant of you speaking about history. Tell us how the Great Britain helped for the liberation of the Christians under the Ottoman rule?
Double standards, yes?
I know, your interest is to help Turkey which enslaved all the slavic people and Christians on the Balkan peninsula.
Ah, you haven't actually answered what we asked, TBH it looks like English may not be your first language so maybe we're just having translation difficulties so I'll try to make the question easier to understand -
- You said that the "U.S attempts to destabilise the region (Bosnia/Kosovo)"
- We (me and Dowie) asked "Why do you believe that?"
Trump's failed coup attempt is taking its toll on disillusioned Guido supporters.
(Source).
Maduro is tightening his grip, and support from China and Russia remains as strong as ever. It seems Trump's dream of 'liberating' Venezuela is dead.
(Source).
Maduro is tightening his grip, and support from China and Russia remains as strong as ever. It seems Trump's dream of 'liberating' Venezuela is dead.
Now that his coup attempt has failed, Trump is making plans to impose a naval blockade on Venezuela.
Axios has the story.
I am not sure that his military advisers will be so enthusiastic.
Venezuela is not, and has never been, a democratic socialist state.
Axios has the story.
I am not sure that his military advisers will be so enthusiastic.
Venezuela is not, and has never been, a democratic socialist state.
Bernie Sanders
Jeremy Corbyn
Funny how the no true scotsman fallacy rears its head the second a state that was heralded as the embodiment of socialism inevitably fails.
Socialism always leads to dictatorship.
Of course, Bernie never actually said that, did he?
It's an extract from an article that was shared on his website without comment or critique.
Here's something he has actually said:
By all means, have a discussion about whether Venezuela counts as a democratic socialist state (or whether Bernie is right to point to Denmark and Sweden as examples of a democratic socialist state), but if your opening statement is going to use flagrant misrepresentation, it doesn't bode well for the rest of the debate.
That's easy to criticise, because neither Denmark or Sweden are examples of democratic socialism at all. They are social democracies, which is a totally different political and economic setup, focusing on a strong private economy with highish tax rates and a strong welfare state. Democratic socialism, on the other hand, has a state owned planned economy combined with democracy.
The reason there are so few examples of democratic socialism is that it always fails and turns into a human rights abusing, poverty ridden disaster.
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So the Tories are busy implementing democratic socialism then are they?
Indeed.
So either Sander's biggest mistake is using the wrong term to describe his position or he's trying to dupe people into voting for him under the guise of a system like Denmark and Sweden, with the intention of implementing 'true' democratic socialism once in power.
I would hazard a guess that @terley believes the latter but having listened to Sanders on Joe Rogan's podcast recently, I don't think that's the case.
Corbyn, on the other hand, is a bit more worrying — although I don't believe he would actually turn the UK into a Venezuela or Cuba.
I know I've used this before but it seems relevant: