Vertical Sync & The 360

AWPC · 13 Feb 2007 at 14:38

Does anyone know if you change the dashboard resolution to be higher than 1366x768 if it makes it go away or not. As I notice you can now select 1920x1080 in the dashboard. Does that make any difference ingame to the scaling or not as I notice GOW plays slower with 1920x1080 selected in the dash.

On Dead Rising last night I just noticed how bad that tearing really is. Unwatchable in places (this is all via the MS VGA cable).

Has anyone tried the MS Component vs MS VGA to see if it makes any difference?

Sirrel Squirrel · 13 Feb 2007 at 14:44

I played the Dead Rising demo at 1920x1080 on my Dell 2407 (everything looks great at this res, so if you can do it, do it!) and I didn't notice too much tearing, I don't have anything to compare it with though.

Wyrdo · 13 Feb 2007 at 14:52

I never really noticed any tearing on Dead Rising and I generally notice tearing and hate it.

Lost Planet has awful tearing as did Blazing Angels, I can't think of any others that have had it that bad on my screen.

Metalface Mark · 13 Feb 2007 at 15:16

The tearing is definetly worse with the VGA over the component, unfortunately, *** component dosent look as good, so i put up with a bit of tearing.

ScarySquirrel · 13 Feb 2007 at 16:34

Only got this in Saints Row really.

Sometimes in Dead Rising but only on certain backgrounds in certain lighting, not enough to spoil the game.

dirtydog · 13 Feb 2007 at 16:43

dokko said:
on SC: DA i'd take the performance hit, its annoying me that much.

Why can PC's sort this out and not a 360 which is supposed to be just as good as a top end spec PC?

More to the point, why did the last generation of consoles not have this widespread problem. There really is no excuse, it's just lazy coding.

Kreeeee · 13 Feb 2007 at 18:32

dirtydog said:
More to the point, why did the last generation of consoles not have this widespread problem. There really is no excuse, it's just lazy coding.

Aye, I'd much rather have a fluid and smooth game (60fps for fast paced games too) than shinier walls and cloudier skies etc.

AWPC said:
Does anyone know if you change the dashboard resolution to be higher than 1366x768 if it makes it go away or not. As I notice you can now select 1920x1080 in the dashboard. Does that make any difference ingame to the scaling or not as I notice GOW plays slower with 1920x1080 selected in the dash.

On Dead Rising last night I just noticed how bad that tearing really is. Unwatchable in places (this is all via the MS VGA cable).

Has anyone tried the MS Component vs MS VGA to see if it makes any difference?

GoW is the same speed at all resolutions as the graphics card still only outputs at 720p but a separate on board scaler scales the image up to 1080p without any performance hit. Tearing is there at all resolutions and with the composite, component and VGA connections. I did not test RGB scart as I don't have the cable.

Hope that helps.

dokko · 13 Feb 2007 at 19:20

dirtydog said:
More to the point, why did the last generation of consoles not have this widespread problem. There really is no excuse, it's just lazy coding.

If PS3 have got this sorted, the 360 is sold for me.

Already thinking about it, its not good enough for the money i've paid, in fact i think its beyond pathetic considering how much they charge for games these days.

Metalface Mark · 13 Feb 2007 at 19:22

dokko said:
If PS3 have got this sorted, the 360 is sold for me.

Already thinking about it, its not good enough for the money i've paid, in fact i think its beyond pathetic considering how much they charge for games these days.

From the ports so far, the ps3 is worse, with bad frame rate and tearing on the likes of Tony Hawks.

dokko · 13 Feb 2007 at 19:47

InwardSinging said:
From the ports so far, the ps3 is worse, with bad frame rate and tearing on the likes of Tony Hawks.

Great...

Well if so, then at least that ends that thought.

Keep it or sell it and buy PC parts.

:cool:

Joebob · 13 Feb 2007 at 20:19

InwardSinging said:
From the ports so far, the ps3 is worse, with bad frame rate and tearing on the likes of Tony Hawks.

I havent noticed any tearing or frame rate issues on the PS3 tbh!!!

I played a fair few titles as well. I get tearing on Blazing angels on the 360 but not a trace of it on the PS3... I did own TH for a while on the PS3 and again noticed no tearing although i didnt play it that much.

fish99 · 13 Feb 2007 at 20:41

Bazoo said:
Yo peeps,

Just purchased a 360 + dell 2007 wfp

Very impressed with GOW, however when i put dead rising on i noticed some rather nasty screen tearing in places. After doing some reading i thought i would try the composite lead i got with the console.

I must be doing something wrong, but when i plug the lead into my 2007wfp set to "TV" i get a picture (which is shocking) i go to change to 720p and switch the cable over to HDTV - but all i get is a black screen ?

Am i being daft...

Cheers.

Composite always gives a very poor picture and cannot do HD at all. The composite and s-video inputs on the 2007WFP are poor too and you shouldn't be using them. You want the official HD VGA 360 cable, then you get to select 1280*720, 1280*768, 1280*1024 (wide mode) etc and it will look excellent.

Tearing depends on whether the developers have turned on v-sync for the game, which they generally don't do if the game isn't hitting 60 fps consistently. Nothing you can do about it AFAIK.

Abooie · 13 Feb 2007 at 21:17

ScarySquirrel said:
Only got this in Saints Row really.

Sometimes in Dead Rising but only on certain backgrounds in certain lighting, not enough to spoil the game.

I'm the same as ScarySquirrel. I can't remember noticing tearing in Dead Rising and I played that game to death. I also finished SA and again, no tearing? I do remember seeing it the odd time in Saints Row but hardly enough to spoil the experience.

I connect via a component lead to my Toshiba 32WLT66 at 1080i

It sounds like there's an underlying problem if you're getting tearing this bad!

Just think I've noticed all the games you're having problems with are PAL60 ones.

Timber · 13 Feb 2007 at 21:57

Xbox360 connected by component to Sony KDL26S2010U at 720p.

No tearing at all on DR, GoW, PGR3 or KK games that I have tried. I am really sensitive to tearing and have to run V-Sync on the PC. I can't help but wonder if this is a VGA cable issue? Which to be fair I've never tried.

dokko · 18 Feb 2007 at 15:04

Right, i've had enough of this problem.

Tried the 360 on the parents Samsung LE32R74BDX using component, and tried every resolution but all of them tear.

The 720p was the best setting but still noticable tearing in Double Agent.

It irradicated the problems i was having with PES6 though, in fact its a different game on an HDTV, which was pleasing, for the 1st time i played it and actually enjoyed the experience.

I'm stuck on what to do. I want a new HDTV sometime in the nearish future, but want one that isn't going to tear.

Now i've heard the V sync is out because the 360 is actually showing too many frames, but i have to doubt that as why is it doing it on a 100Hz TV as well?

The LE32R74BDX was an option, and my most realistic as it can be had for just over £500, but if am going to spend that money, i dont want any tearing.

Another option is the £1200 Sammy that supports 1080p, but if i get that setup and the tearing is just as bad i'd want to kill myself.

This is a serious problem for me, M$ have asked for me to ring them, but from what i gather they'll just fob my off with that its the game developers fault and not theirs.

maybe i should ring them up and demand my money back for their substandard games?

:mad:

skullman · 18 Feb 2007 at 15:17

dokko said:
Now i've heard the V sync is out because the 360 is actually showing too many frames

This isnt always true. I'm currently playing through SCDA and tearing only occurs when the framerate seems to be struggling (e.g in big areas). If im in a small room theres no slowdown and no tearing at all. I think the tearing in some cases is just a cheap way of increasing fps.

dokko · 18 Feb 2007 at 15:33

skullman said:
This isnt always true. I'm currently playing through SCDA and tearing only occurs when the framerate seems to be struggling (e.g in big areas). If im in a small room theres no slowdown and no tearing at all. I think the tearing in some cases is just a cheap way of increasing fps.

In your opinion is it:

The TV's fault?

The 360's fault?

The game makers fault?

The gamers fault for expecting faultless flow of graphics from a machine worth £300?

I've been told its the game makers, surely they should send out a warning. Game is crap, we couldn't be bothered to sync frames so the graphics are sub standard and your better off buying a PC.

I'd sell me 360 tomorrow if i could get a decent price for it.

cymatty · 18 Feb 2007 at 15:43

dokko said:
Right, i've had enough of this problem.

Tried the 360 on the parents Samsung LE32R74BDX using component, and tried every resolution but all of them tear.

Have you set the TV to game mode?

dokko · 18 Feb 2007 at 16:26

cymatty said:
Have you set the TV to game mode?

Yep, all it does is reduce the sound and pale out the colours, however it makes the sprites seem sharper.

Does nothing for the V-Sync.

Any HDTV's offer V Sync or is it a PC thing?

dirtydog · 18 Feb 2007 at 16:29

The display device cannot force vsync; that is up to the console itself.