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Video Editing Card Please.

A few of you guys are recommending the Gigabyte
Radeon R9 380X G1 would you say this is the best bang for buck or is their another card cheaper that would do the same job. I know bru was talking about the new 460/470 but i don't know how long i can wait as I'm having to use my very old spare PC at the moment.



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Isn't the new Polaris architecture much better with Video handling? if it is it might be worth waiting to see the prices of the 460/470.

It has an updated uvd and vce for h.265. I agree wait a few days for the news on r7 470/460, it'll have better future proofing for h.265.
Gcn 1.2 (380 etc) can encode/decode only up to h.264 4k.
But like everything it relies on the adoption of software to make use of Vce and to support the hybrid mode.
 
How much do you think the r7 470/460 are going to cost ?

That is the golden question, there has been quite of lot of speculation, but nothing has been announced as of yet. All we can be fairly certain of, is they will be cheaper than the RX480 4GB at $199.
 
They seem to be in my price range and i just read their out in early August so it might be worth the wait. Do you think they will be much better than the R9 380X G1



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My 380 is a 180W gpu. I don't remember if the 380X consumes a bit more power or the same but the 470 will be consuming 120W. The 470 and 380X have very similar resources. Another thing to consider is VRAM capacity. The 470 will also be released in a 8GB variety while the 380 series caps at 4GB. More VRAM might offer performance while editing.
 
I just seen some prices come up on another thread for the new cards,so might be worth waiting for them

460 2GB: £105
460 4GB: £130
470 4GB: £190
470 8GB: £220





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Not too sure on those prices, as that puts the 4GB 470 only £10 cheaper than the 4GB 480.
But it is definitely worth waiting to see what the actual prices turn out to be.
 
Something else to think about is the type of connections you need for your monitor(s).

If you have older DVI monitor(s) be aware that the more recent GPU releases have limited DVI connectors (and in some cases none).

For example, the reference RX 480 cards don't have a DVI connector, only 3 x Display Port and 1 x HDMI. The 1060s mostly only have one DVI, again with 3 x DP and 1 x HDMI.

Obviously you can get adapters but quality varies and it adds to the overall cost.
 
Something else to think about is the type of connections you need for your monitor(s).

If you have older DVI monitor(s) be aware that the more recent GPU releases have limited DVI connectors (and in some cases none).

For example, the reference RX 480 cards don't have a DVI connector, only 3 x Display Port and 1 x HDMI. The 1060s mostly only have one DVI, again with 3 x DP and 1 x HDMI.

Obviously you can get adapters but quality varies and it adds to the overall cost.


I forgot all about the connections :eek: i have the PC hooked up to my TV so i will need a DVI connector so that would rule the 470 out as it has none. So I'm looking at the 460 if the price is right and their is nothing better in that price range.




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OpenCL favours AMD hardware - it is one of the reasons AMD is used by Apple now.

Apple is massively invested into it as the creator,and people were perplexed at the R9 285(uses the AMD Tonga GPU) when it was first released.

But when you look at Tonga GPU,it seems to have had a bump up in OpenCL performance - it seems to even get close to the Hawaii GPU used in the R9 290/390 series at times.

So it looks like Tonga was partly designed with Apple in mind.

You saw it when Apple an AMD got the OS X CS moved over to OpenCL from CUDA - there were far more AMD certified cards than Nvidia ones. There are even videos with Adobe and AMD talking about using OpenCL in CS.

For a very long time,Nvidia didn't even support the latest version of OpenCL(not sure more recently though).

Edit!!

Look at the Adobe Premiere Pro certfication list for example:

https://helpx.adobe.com/premiere-pro/system-requirements.html

Recommended AMD and NVIDIA video adapters for GPU acceleration

Windows CUDA:

NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M
NVIDIA GeForce GT 750M
NVIDIA GeForce GT 755M
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 675MX
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680MX
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 690
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 770
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 775M
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780M
NVIDIA GeForce GTX TITAN
NVIDIA Quadro K1100M
NVIDIA Quadro K2000
NVIDIA Quadro K2100M
NVIDIA Quadro K2200
NVIDIA Quadro K2000M
NVIDIA Quadro K3000M
NVIDIA Quadro K4000
NVIDIA Quadro K4000M
NVIDIA Quadro K4100M
NVIDIA Quadro K4200
NVIDIA Quadro K5000
NVIDIA Quadro K5000M
NVIDIA Quadro K5200
NVIDIA Quadro K6000
NVIDIA Quadro M4000
NVIDIA Quadro M5000
NVIDIA Quadro M6000
NVIDIA Tesla K10​

Mac CUDA:

GeForce GTX 675MX
GeForce GTX 680
GeForce GTX 680MX
GeForce GT 750M
GeForce GT 755M
GeForce GTX 775M
GeForce GTX 780M
Quadro K5000

Windows OpenCL:

AMD FirePro M2000
AMD FirePro M4000
AMD FirePro M5950
AMD FirePro M6000
AMD FirePro S7000
AMD FirePro S9000
AMD FirePro S10000
AMD FirePro V3900
AMD FirePro V4900
AMD FirePro V5900
AMD FirePro V7900
AMD FirePro W2100
AMD FirePro W4100
AMD FirePro W5000
AMD FirePro W5100
AMD FirePro W7000
AMD FirePro W7100
AMD FirePro W8000
AMD FirePro W8100
AMD FirePro W9000
AMD FirePro W9100
AMD FirePro W4170W FireGL V
AMD FirePro M5100 FireGL V
AMD FirePro M6100 FireGL V
AMD A10-7800 APU
AMD Radeon HD 8470
AMD Radeon HD 8550M
AMD Radeon HD 8570
AMD Radeon HD 8570M
AMD Radeon HD 8670
AMD Radeon HD 8670M
AMD Radeon HD 8690M
AMD Radeon HD 8730M
AMD Radeon HD 8740
AMD Radeon HD 8750M
AMD Radeon HD 8760
AMD Radeon HD 8770M
AMD Radeon HD 8790M
AMD Radeon HD 8870
AMD Radeon HD 8950
AMD Radeon HD 8970
AMD Radeon R7 265
AMD Radeon R7 APU
AMD Radeon R7260X
AMD Radeon R7M260
AMD Radeon R9 280
AMD Radeon R9 280
AMD Radeon R9 280X
AMD Radeon R9 285
AMD Radeon R9 290
AMD Radeon R9 290X
AMD Radeon R9 295X2
Intel Iris Graphics 5100
Intel Iris Pro Graphics 5200

I don't know if Pascal has improved OpenCL support,but last time I check Maxwell wasn't beating something like Tonga or Hawaii consistently in OpenCL application tests.

But remember,the RX480 has a new decode/encode engine too.

It might worth seeing how the RX470 and RX460 perform.
 
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You appear confused? It's AMD that have ceased OpenCL support. It stopped at V 1.2. Current version (with loads of improvements) is 2.1

Here is AMD confirming it themselves. Unless you know better than AMD about their own products of course?

https://community.amd.com/thread/203556

That is for the RX480 - are you trying to on purpose ignore people like Adobe who have worked with AMD regarding this and Apple who uses OpenCL massively in all its systems??

http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/OpenCL2-Driver.aspx

OpenCL2.0 support there for other cards.

Last year Nvidia did not even support OpenCL 2.0 with Maxwell:

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/29219307/opencl-2-0-on-nvidia-graphics-cards

Even under Linux Nvidia is limited to 1.2 support and that was in May:

https://www.karlrupp.net/2016/05/three-suggestions-for-improving-opencl/

Edit!!

It shows how much you have only made a cursory glance at the AMD side of things.

Last time I checked the R9 380 tended to be generally better on average than my GTX960 with OpenCL.

I use CS on and off,but not enough to justifying changing over cards.

OFC,Tonga being used in a whole load of Apple systems makes zero push for people like Adobe to sort of optimise for it right??

Second Edit!!

This too:

http://developer.amd.com/community/blog/2015/08/26/introducing-app-sdk-30-opencl-2/

I see where you are going to take this(been here long enough),so I will leave it at that.

I can't talk about Pascal as I have not looked at it TBH.
 
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I should say i don't use Hitfilm 4 to its full potential i mainly use it for its Green Screen and i use PowerDirector most of the time. Most of my videos are of family and friends that i like to make and i don't do any 4K stuff YET but maybe in the future i might. My CPU is only a AMD FX-8350 but i find it very good for video editing. As for the price of card i am trying not to say what i want to spend because people will just quote that price but I'm looking around £100 to £150. I all so want to make my videos with the best quality i can.




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There was some issue with Nvidia GPUs earlier in the year with Power Director 14:

https://forums.geforce.com/default/...14-is-not-compatible-with-geforce-experience/
http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/48096.page;jsessionid=2D367A5A2E0E90C8F5A1A4CE08391AC7

Seems to be some general issues with GE,etc.

However,not seen any recent noise about it though.

Regarding the GTX1060 and RX480,the rushed nature of both launches,means I have not seen as many non-gaming benchmarks run on both.

Cern posted this link and its a very good read. Some of them cards are not to expensive

http://www.logicalincrements.com/articles/videoediting

Budget Video Editing

GTX 750 It or R7 360


Power User Editing

GTX 950 or R7 370


Professional Editing

GTX 1060 or RX 480



Video Editing Supercomputer

GTX 1070




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I need to find the benchmarks,but last year,one of the European sites tested the R9 380 against a whole bunch of cards,and its OpenCL performance was more than a lot of similar cards.

The R9 380 is starting to enter clearance,under £150 now.

Edit!!

But that was a year ago - wish more sites tested them things,as support might have changed.
 
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I build PC's for others, and use nothing but AMD, until tomorrow anyway, when I cancel my pre-order for the RX 480+ Nitro & change it to the NVidia 1060:

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/asus...ddr5-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-40f-as.html

It's cheaper, and performs faster in OpenCL & OpenGL, & uses less electricity. Better for me, my clients & the environment. What's not to like? It's people posting nonsense about these new cards that has made me change my order, as I have then searched what is posted, and found it to be last years out-dated facts, or they were 'facts' posted by fanboys!

LMAO,so now you call anybody who disagrees with you a fanboi- you seemed really annoyed.

Yes,as a person whose primary card is a GTX960 and my previous one was also a GTX660.

by you said:
You appear confused?

So I'm sure resorting to insults will help the O/P. Not sure why you are so angry either? Though as I'm not a fanboy of either AMD or NVidia its hard for me to be as worked up about these things. I assess on the basis of my reading, but these people seem to sum it up rather nicely:

https://forum.teksyndicate.com/t/anyone-else-disappointed-with-amd-opengl-performance/79503



So,you are getting annoyed just because everybody did noty agree 100% with you and remember YOU SAID OPENCL performance.

So now you are insulting people - you are the one who is gettingh hurt.


Perhaps today is the day you need to re-check? And why so hung up on yesterdays cards? I'm not sure that's helpful. People & software have moved on. Cinebench is a good indicator of GPU performance, latest results show NVidia with a 17.5% lead:

https://translate.google.co.uk/tran...a.zol.com.cn/593/5937318_all.html&prev=search

You see, OpenCL has NVidia specific instructions that just aren't available in AMD hardware hence the increased performance on NVidia hardware.



Do you not see that are those of us with different GPU requirements to you, and there are those of us that do need to change cards for the exact same reason you don't!

Wait,what??
"OFC,Tonga being used in a whole load of Apple". I'm not sure why you rest on Apple's laurels? I wouldn't waste my time with them. I prefer to see Apple through the eyes of the founder of Oculus Rift, who replied when asked why there was no VR experience on Apple he replied; "That is up to Apple and if they ever release a good computer we will do it"!

So my advice to the O/P, who uses his GPU in the same way I use mine, is to go NVidia current gen if his budget can stretch to it.

BAHAHAHAA - I know so many people who use Apple stuff for video work,etc - so many companies use Apple hardware. In academia they are common.

Apple invented OpenCL - AMD and Apple worked with Adobe to help push CS over to OpenCL.

Apple uses AMD hardware in all its computers now - your emo raging at me still does not deflect from the point,Adobe has certified MORE AMD cards for use than Nvidia ones under OpenCL.

They use nothing but AMD cards now and Apple has pushed OpenCL massively for its own software. They invented it.

You are know backtracking on trying to show AMD has worse OpenCL performance,and yet so many of those links from last year and this year showed Nvidia was supporting upto version 1.2 and you are emo raging so much I said repeately,I had not looked at Pascal yet.

The only OpenCL bench I can see is Luxrender - where is all the video converting software showing Maxwell(or even Pascal) with its massive advantage??

Or this apparent lack of OpenCL2.0 support AMD is having.

The same when the OP said he was using mostly Power Director 14 and people noted Nvidia had some issues a few months ago.
 
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Yes that's very helpful thank you, and I think I will wait till the new cards come out. The problem is the RX 470 has no DVI-I on it but the RX 460 does. Do you think the RX 460 will be up to the job or is there a card out at the moment that would be better than it


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