Why go off on a completely unrelated rant regarding taxation and political parties?
The issue with the News Corp takeover of BSkyB is that of media plurality.
Vince Cable, David Cameron and Rupert Murdoch
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Why go off on a completely unrelated rant regarding taxation and political parties?
The issue with the News Corp takeover of BSkyB is that of media plurality.
Soldato
Are you kidding? It was a 'majority' of 21 to begin with, 11 votes would have won it. How many Labour MPs voted for anyway? And without the promise of a taste of power i doubt more than maybe a couple of Lib Dem MPs would have voted for the rise.
Please, a conservative minority would have failed before it had even started, and they know that.
Soldato
I thought it was one paper that isn't under Murdoch, isn't it owned by the Barclay bros.
Anyway I read at as a right wing part of the tory fold trying to undermine the libs.
Doubt it, as the circumstances around it would be rather different in parliament and with the whips.
If the lib dems stuck to their moral pledge, it would be a split vote, or a defeat by one vote.
I'm not really up for historians fallacy but it could have panned out quite differently.
Either which way, if your assertions are correct, why do we not see a conservative minority government.
Why do they not have the accumen to do it themselves?
Alledged.
Again, he's cocked it up so many times in opposition I think its perverse the 'City', the 'press' and people en masse think he's some sort of Adam Smith mark II.
He's not, he's a bit of a div with a tendancy to lie along party lines like the rest of them... or just simply gets it wrong.
Like misleading parliament with purposefully innacurate figures?
Is that what the city looks too for its guidance?
I really wish we wouldn't bother.
Wrap up the UK, cause it's a bit of a joke really.
Why is the best that those with fullblown Murdochphobia limited to random conspiracy theories with no evidential basis?
I'm no fan of Murdoch, but some of the suggestions going around about Vince Cable's muppetry in a sting operation by one of Murdoch's competitors beggar belief...
I'm no fan of Murdoch, but some of the suggestions going around about Vince Cable's muppetry in a sting operation by one of Murdoch's competitors beggar belief...
You don't have to be a conspiracy theorist to think that a concentration of power within the media might not be good for the public interest though.
Not read that particular article, no. Read it elsewhere in print though.
Dolph said:
Interested me, but I seem to have misread what you said.
So never mind!
But yes, muppet does come to mind.
You'd think politicians would just shut up, or learn to be very suspicious of those they come across. Not a great place to be, but media intrusion/in has went on long enough I think.
Agreed.
If it were a Union boss or something akin who owned most of the UK's press, I suspect Dolph and others would be arguing different lines.
Of course tories aren't going to see a problem with a tory mogal in charge of swathes of the countries press and tv.
If the shoe was on the other foot however...
Soldato
Labour would probably have realised the political cost of voting against their own review was not worth 'fighting for the students'. In this case, though, it was a good way to tempt the Lib Dems and give the coalition a battering.
Do you know what, I ******* hate these communications being reffered to as US 'cables'.
Next it will be Russian morse code and British telegrams.
Or Peruvian coded lamas or something.
Absolutely. Like I said, I'm no Murdoch fan.
Not read that particular article, no. Read it elsewhere in print though.
Interested me, but I seem to have misread what you said.
So never mind!
Read the comments over at the Guardian about it, it's amazing how irrational some people can be.
Absolutely. The news that some of the lib dems have concerns about some of the coalition policies isn't really news, even within parties views are rarely completely homogeneous, so quite why people expect the views between two parties in coalition to be identical I have no idea.
Where have I supported Murdoch in any of this?
Having not seen these conspiracies, I was leading myself to believe you were leaning towards a 'he's a good guy, nothing here to see' sort of line; ignoring the obvious concerns over the large monopoly he is aquiring and undue influence on a 'democratic' government, or trying to undermine these issues as conspiracies.
Perhaps too much thought into one comment, if that isn't your stance fine I apologise.
It's not, I don't like the way Murdoch is slowly monopolising the media, although I'm unsure what steps should be taken to stop it, given that it's being done through simply selling more papers/tv packages than anyone else...
The problem is that some people are so rabidly anti-murdoch they come out with such drivel that any valid criticisms of the murdoch empire are lost in the shuffle...
Conservative= work WITH business, decrease tax so its worthwhile creating more jobs, more jobs and more profit and more expansion equals billions MORE tax being pumped into the UK, more jobs, more money, less debt, woe is you who hate the rich man doing well.
Since when have the torys given us more jobs.
Since when have the torys given us more jobs.
Soldato
i do love reading these threads on ocuk. only chance i get to hear a good discussion about these things
from the clip it sounds like some cute girl has charmed vince into talking about how big he is and the powers he has to stop someone as big as murdoch etc. bit foolish of him but can't blame him as i'd probably done the same
from the clip it sounds like some cute girl has charmed vince into talking about how big he is and the powers he has to stop someone as big as murdoch etc. bit foolish of him but can't blame him as i'd probably done the same