Violence in Selfridges and "drill music"

[dowie]

Drill is normalising a negative and dangerous lifestyle. It isn't just local to the UK either and is fast becoming aspirational to a section of the youth. Much the same way as hard-core gangster rap did to the American impoverished population 30-40 odd years ago.

Educating your kids and promoting nuclear families will be the only way to keep the culture to a minimum.

But uncontrolled upbringings combined with poverished areas will always breed criminal and violent behaviour.

Drill is not the cause, but it does appear to be a catalyst.

Quoting to hopefully bring the thread back around on topic.

Yeah, I think that is a reasonable point, obvs no one is saying the style of music itself causes violence, the lyrics themselves though perhaps stir up gang rivalries, some of them reference previous killings etc..

My focus was more on the culture surrounding this, it's no surprise that the kid with the knife here has a deadbeat, criminal father (albeit a very famous one in this particular instance), nor is it surprising given the estate they're from - that's been a problem estate for several generations, example:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadwater_Farm#Murder_of_PC_Keith_Blakelock

A group of around 40 people[20] attacked them with sticks, knives and machetes, leading to PC Blakelock's death and serious injuries to PC Coombes.[21] As news of the death spread, the rioting subsided. Local council leader Bernie Grant claims to have been misquoted as saying that "What the police got was a bloody good hiding".

I mean a group of people on that estate literally murdered a police officer and got away with it, hardly surprising that a generation or two later and a bunch of residents are still violent or even murderous scumbags.

The estate itself seems to have been successfully regenerated lots of investment poured in, CCTV, concierges etc... but the effect of that seems to have been to reduce some obvious reportable crime in the estate itself, not necessarily impact the criminals who live there and the crimes they commit elsewhere.

I think he's mistaken you for someone else.

Quite possibly, that's an obvious problem when people can't argue and so attack either their own projections (or in this case some faulty memory relating to some completely different poster).

@hurfdurf you've gone rather quiet - found anything to back up the drivel you claimed here yet?

But bare in mind, when he’s caught out, he very much melts down. He’s even accused some people of picking on him and claimed he’s old and vulnerable because of his disability according to another poster.

Go ahead, show me where you believe I've ever done that or made that claim?

He does that a lot. The classic was when he claimed someone had been a massive inspiration for him to do something and the guy was like "err...nope, that was someone else mate". Such an inspiration.

LOL I suspect that is what has happened here too.

@deuse you have a short username beginning with a "d" - IIRC you are a bit old, putting aside the rather uncharitable description given by @hurfdurf have you by any chance mentioned being elderly and disabled on these forums? If so I suspect I've been mistaken for you.

 

[dowie]

Definitely saw someone point out that one of the regular GD super stars cried about being old and disabled when their posts were shown to be utter trash after they tried giving it the big one. It made me chuckle.

That’s classy, so there is some poster on here who is old and disabled, you can’t remember who it is but you find it funny for some reason? You also get easily confused and randomly accuse other people of being that poster when you’re upset at some point of view and are not capable of formulating an argument in response.

 

[dowie]

Remember this thread about some members of our wonderful urban youth....

The Guardian published a piece on him too:

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2...one-helps-us-round-here-music-is-the-only-way

“I’m trying to get out the hood, and the easiest way of doing that is making music,” says Bandokay. “It’s my way of escaping gang life and achieving a better life. I wanna move my mum into a house. Music puts legal money into my account. No one helps us round here. So music is the only way.”

Sure... seems like an easier way might be to not join a gang, stay in school and then get some qualifications but I guess he's got some rather dubious role models.

It turns out that Bandokay's attempt to "get out the hood" via drill music has had a bit of a hiccup after he's been found guilty of possessing a firearm and ammunition with intent to endanger life...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1808129787354911165

Funnily enough, that's the same thing that got his gangster father shot by the police, resulting in half a council estate marching on the local Police station to demand immediate answers and "justice" and then days of rioting in London.